Hurricane Irma: Are per diem nurses USUALLY required to work during a hurricane/disaster? - page 7

Hey guys! I'm not a nurse, but I am part of the nursing staff as a PCA. I have only been working in a hospital for a year, so I'm not sure what is usual or custom. As the title suggests, I am... Read More

  1. by   Julius Seizure
    Quote from SummitRN
    Volunteer vs Compulsory
    Volunteer vs Compulsory
    Calling vs Job?
    Volunteer vs Compulsory
    Volunteer vs Compulsory

    Think about it... all the emergency agency nurse contracts pull way more $$$ over PD or FT even with OT.
    The agency contracts that I saw for Houston hurricane relief were all offering about $4000/week or so, for long hours (much more than 40/week), sleeping in the hospital and generally rough conditions. I inquired about going, but I never heard anything back and I don't know of anybody else who got a call or email back about it either. The only nurse that I know of who went, went as a volunteer with the Red Cross.

    I'm not arguing either way, just saying my experience with emergency relief in Texas.
  2. by   canoehead
    Quote from Wuzzie
    I'm not sure schedule flexibility plays a part in planning for a catastrophic, natural disaster.
    Schedule flexibility means you don't have to be there unless you agree to the shift. And it would be a HUGE benefit during a disaster. You could leave town, or stay and work, and rake in overtime. Freedom of choice for the nurse.
  3. by   KelliBSN2006
    My understanding is; if you have accepted your patient assignment you can not abandon your patients. If you have not accepted your patient assignment ....look up the RN practice act for your state. Call the board to clarify. Good Luck.
  4. by   suzil
    Quote from nelly85
    Hi , read the contract you signed for the per down job. If it does not mention hurricane coverage then you shouldn't be called in to work. I work in south Florida as well and am per dorm. I called Human Resources to verify that I did not have to come in because it is not part of my contract. The hospital will tell you that you are required to come in and that they will fire you but if you get confirmation from hr that you don't have to contractually work hurricanes administration can't fire you. My administrators told me the same thing they told you and hr stepped in and told them that I am not obligated to work hurricanes. I don't have benefits from the hospital, why should I go into work? I could be injured going to or from work , then I would be responsible for the bill.
    If injured at work then Workers Comp would kick in to cover you. Workers Comp has to cover all employees whether they are FT, PT or even Per Diem without regular benefits.
  5. by   suzil
    Quote from tridil2000
    Pet diem as in... No benefits? No guaranteed hours?
    no, they really can't mandate you, unless you were already scheduled.
    I've worked plenty of Per Diem jobs before. The Per Diem positions at my hospital now DO require all staff work a minimum of shifts per month/week. Otherwise why would they keep their position for you? They do have some benefits too. All have to be covered by Workman's Comp. Cafeteria discount, the gift shop discount, the other discounts such as movie tickets at a reduced price, belonging to our Credit Union, having a 401K and other benefits. What they DON'T get is the medical and dental benefits and PTO hours.
  6. by   Sour Lemon
    Quote from suzil
    I've worked plenty of Per Diem jobs before. The Per Diem positions at my hospital now DO require all staff work a minimum of shifts per month/week. Otherwise why would they keep their position for you? They do have some benefits too. All have to be covered by Workman's Comp. Cafeteria discount, the gift shop discount, the other discounts such as movie tickets at a reduced price, belonging to our Credit Union, having a 401K and other benefits. What they DON'T get is the medical and dental benefits and PTO hours.
    Well, who cares about PTO and medical benefits? Tell me more about this cafeteria discount!!
    Most places require that per diem employees be available for a certain number of hours/shifts. That doesn't mean they'll actually be scheduled ...and if they are scheduled, that doesn't mean they'll actually work. I've been canceled for two of my four last scheduled shifts.
  7. by   suzil
    Quote from Sour Lemon
    Well, who cares about PTO and medical benefits? Tell me more about this cafeteria discount!!
    Most places require that per diem employees be available for a certain number of hours/shifts. That doesn't mean they'll actually be scheduled ...and if they are scheduled, that doesn't mean they'll actually work. I've been canceled for two of my four last scheduled shifts.
    Exactly how it works. When I did a lot of per diem it would tie up my days and it was unknown until the morning of if I got called in. I was just referring to the poster claiming there were NO BENEFITS, there are some. I think I did rack up some pretty significant amounts of $$$ in my 401K with the hospital adding in their portion to it when I was just per diem. That was pretty nice! Families going on vacations to the Water Park or Disney really like the benefit discounts they get also. Plus someone claimed they are not covered if they got hurt at work. That is wrong, they have to have Workers Comp.
  8. by   NightDiva2k
    Sorry if this isn't wanted - hope all went well for y'all and family. The facility is responsible for formulating a disaster plan - period. This includes s list of critical staff, by name. It's NOT the staff's job to stay in harms way for 'just in case. Also - it's not a compliment to anyone to not have a plan then tell them 'you're it!' And critical staff has never peen part time, or per diem. Andrew in Louisiana marched up my street. My facility had a plan. No one was surprised to have to stay or threatened if they left. In a business, the bosses plan, we execute. Same in a disaster - poor planning risks the lives of patients and staff. BTW, in Andrew, my facility was high ground. If such a thing exists in southern coastal areas. We were invited to bring our families to high ground for the duration. Bullying isn't always obvious, and sometimes comes from above.
    Last edit by NightDiva2k on Sep 17
  9. by   NightDiva2k
    My current facility in Dallas was preparing for transfers from a sister facility in Houston - hopefully the Houston hospitals all moved as much as possible out storm surge reach. I don't begrudge you wanting adequate, high risk pay - kinda glad they didn't need you though.

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