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| No. 10 | 
Jun 18, 2009, 11:46 PM
 Re: How Will Universal Health Care Change Nursing?
I AM SO OFFENDED!!! You need to stop reading articles like the one here below my response and get with the real world. I am a single working mom of three children, only I am not blessed enough to live in Cali, (it is way too high a cost of living) they actually care about their residents.
REALLY? I have to tell you that is bogus. My kids do not qualify for medicaid. I applied. I did ALL THAT PAPERWORK, because I love my kids, and my $1800 per month was too much money!!! They qualified--- 4 months later-- for partially paid medicaid by me. I AM NOT COVERED AT ALL! Adults get nothing!! Kids only get some benefits, no orthodontic coverage, horrible state dentist that do not place spacers when they pull teeth from pogo stick accidents, you have no clue what you are spouting! Stop quoting other peoples crap, take a walk on the wild side-- open your eyes.
You need to step out of your comfortable reading world and into the rest of our worlds, take a look at it from down here. You might be singing a different tune.
You remind me of when senator John McCain said, "Our economy is just fine."
......."You may think that a poor single mom with three children living in South-Central Los Angeles is among the uninsured, but in fact, she is eligible for Medicaid, as are her children. The BlueCross BlueShield study notes that 1 in 3 of the uninsured are eligible for — but not enrolled in — a government-sponsored health program. Because Medicaid and children's health programs allow patients to be signed up literally in the ER, these individuals could be covered; they just choose not to do the paperwork."
Generally, I am happy that you older individuals have done things right for yourselves, that you have good jobs, husbands, families, etc, etc. But, when you start stomping all over my hard working, calloused bottomed feet my blood starts to boil!
I am very American. I am as hard working as they get, harder. I am working my way through school. My ex does not pay. Every bump in the road rises to meet us. But the Lord looks out for us. We love each other and hold on tight. Please do not preach that of which you know nothing.
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Jun 18, 2009, 11:52 PM
Re: How Will Universal Health Care Change Nursing? Originally Posted by mia70 
I AM SO OFFENDED!!! You need to stop reading articles like the one here below my response and get with the real world. I am a single working mom of three children, only I am not blessed enough to live in Cali, (it is way too high a cost of living) they actually care about their residents.
REALLY? I have to tell you that is bogus. My kids do not qualify for medicaid. I applied. I did ALL THAT PAPERWORK, because I love my kids, and my $1800 per month was too much money!!! They qualified--- 4 months later-- for partially paid medicaid by me. I AM NOT COVERED AT ALL! Adults get nothing!! Kids only get some benefits, no orthodontic coverage, horrible state dentist that do not place spacers when they pull teeth from pogo stick accidents, you have no clue what you are spouting! Stop quoting other peoples crap, take a walk on the wild side-- open your eyes.
You need to step out of your comfortable reading world and into the rest of our worlds, take a look at it from down here. You might be singing a different tune.
You remind me of when senator John McCain said, "Our economy is just fine."
......."You may think that a poor single mom with three children living in South-Central Los Angeles is among the uninsured, but in fact, she is eligible for Medicaid, as are her children. The BlueCross BlueShield study notes that 1 in 3 of the uninsured are eligible for — but not enrolled in — a government-sponsored health program. Because Medicaid and children's health programs allow patients to be signed up literally in the ER, these individuals could be covered; they just choose not to do the paperwork."
Generally, I am happy that you older individuals have done things right for yourselves, that you have good jobs, husbands, families, etc, etc. But, when you start stomping all over my hard working, calloused bottomed feet my blood starts to boil!
I am very American. I am as hard working as they get, harder. I am working my way through school. My ex does not pay. Every bump in the road rises to meet us. But the Lord looks out for us. We love each other and hold on tight. Please do not preach that of which you know nothing.
Who are you talking to?
The websites I posted are from real people who do real research. They are trying to find patient centered options. And I'm in the second week of a 5 week Nursing Health Care Economics class where we learn the real statistical information to make decisions. And we have speakers from different health care institutions come to talk with us and enlighten us.
My main concern was the myth of 47 million uninsured . .. did you read all the links where that is proven untrue?
Handing our health care over to the government, when the government has made a mess of Medicare already, is a big mistake.
And I have walked in your shoes - I was a divorced parent of two young boys. I have no health insurance right now and haven't for about 2 years.
I simply do not believe, for many good reasons which I linked to, universal health care is the answer.
steph
| | No. 14 |
Jun 19, 2009, 06:13 AM
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Jun 19, 2009 at 06:22 AM by Angie O'Plasty, RN
Re: How Will Universal Health Care Change Nursing? Originally Posted by Spidey's mom More myth-busting and this has been said for years but people are still not getting it.
And of the remaining uninsured, 6 million lack insurance for only a few months.
The bottom line: About 8.2 million Americans, not 45 million, are chronically uninsured and low-income. And they are the working poor. They have jobs but, because of the high cost of insurance, no coverage. ... "
I get it just fine. It's just my opion that lacking insurance "for only a few months" is unacceptable and "only" 8.2 million uninsured is unacceptable.
What I don't get is how we can afford to go to war, but we can't afford to take care of our own. Most of us get our insurance through our workplace. Yet how many actual work -years do we have? We will all be unemployed at some point. If you're lucky that point will be after age 65 when you're covered. If not....you lose everything. It's not right.
I'm only offering my opinion, and have no wish to argue with anyone with a different opinion, so please don't get upset and try to change my mind. I've been around for a long time and I've seen all sorts of good people fall through the huge cracks in our so-called system. It's not right for us to choose to do that to all those people. And we do choose--every single time we hit that voting booth and pull that lever. We choose. So far, we've chosen to bankrupt families with a devastating illness / trauma, and we've chosen to support greedy insurance companies who don't want to pay for livesaving therapies.
It's not right. It's just not right. There has to be a better way than this. Those who don't want to go with universal healthcare need to think up something really really quick, because the rest of us need solutions now.
| | No. 15 |
Jun 19, 2009, 06:33 AM
Re: How Will Universal Health Care Change Nursing?
One thing it will do is allow many nurses to go to per diem instead of clinging to full time jobs merely for the health insurance.
We'd have to ask our Canadian colleagues as far as wages. Their nation is fairly equivalent to the U.S. in lifestyle and standard of living, yet they have universal coverage.
| | No. 17 |
Jun 19, 2009, 08:54 AM
Re: How Will Universal Health Care Change Nursing?
At first, I was thinking that universal health coverage meant something like Canada/Europe...a socialist-type system, and imagined long lines, etc. After reading what I can about the FACTS..the actual proposed plan, I am shocked at how much it does make sense, ...as well as the numbers of businesses that are limited due to health care costs/the number of hard-working Americans who are struggling. Politically, I try to stay in the middle, so I can see both sides, but I'm seeing more and more the scare tactics of the right. My boyfriend and I have differing views on the health care issue (he's a physician), and he's not even looking at the facts of what Obama is SAYING...health insurance requirements (kind of like auto requirements) for all so that the system flows again and we're not paying for the HUGE number of uninsured, KEEPING competition by utilizing current private health insurance systems (but ridding of the greeeed/unfair practices), minimizing the GOV'T run Medicare/caid which have been a flop overall, and yeah, making sure those who can't afford health coverage get it. Not exactly government-run hospitals..It's so scary to me how the media/untrue scare tactics, and especially, concern for oneself over the concern of the whole "neighborhood" can lead people to think to a point that they turn off their hearing to the facts...if we're going to talk history, now that's some scary stuff.
| | No. 18 |
Jun 19, 2009, 09:23 AM
Re: How Will Universal Health Care Change Nursing?
Universal healthcare means less cost, more choices, and better care and outcomes for everybody. If you don't believe this, do some research regarding different healthcare systems. No system is as expensive as ours, yet the care we get is still mediocre at best. Worldwide, we are only #23 in life expectancy. We are the only developed country except for south africa that does not grant health insurance for all of it's citizens. Our infant mortality rates are much higher than they should be in such a great country.
I honestly do not know what everybody is so afraid of. Obviously, something needs to be done. Yeah, I know, some of you are gonna tell me about big government and how "they" are pretty soon gonna control everything. But you know what, at this time, the control is in the hands of the private insurance companies, and there motivation is and always will be money. Healthcare should be primarily about helping people and saving lives, as idealistic as this may sound, it should never, ever be about money first.
Yes, it may affect our pay. But if it means healthcare for everybody, I gladly take a pay cut. There simply is no excuse for leaving people without healthcare in this country, the richest nation on the planet. And if it means we all need to sacrifice a little, I am fine with this.
By the way, medicare is a government program, and most people gladly accept their medicare coverage once eligible.
To quote Martin Luther King Jr.: "Of all the forms of inequility, injustice in healthcare is the most shocking and inhumane."
| | No. 19 |
Jun 19, 2009, 09:30 AM
Re: How Will Universal Health Care Change Nursing? Originally Posted by FireStarterRN One thing it will do is allow many nurses to go to per diem instead of clinging to full time jobs merely for the health insurance.
We'd have to ask our Canadian colleagues as far as wages. Their nation is fairly equivalent to the U.S. in lifestyle and standard of living, yet they have universal coverage.
Thanks for asking BUT whenever we explain our system we get shouted by down by some very vocal poster. Whenever we post something we have the nightmare scenarios posted that every system will unfortunately run into, we get "but that would never happen here in the US" or "they sent the patient to the US"(but fail to understand that the taxpayer paid for it all).
Yes, we have universal healthcare and a similar standard of living BUT we are also a very unionized workforce which is something that seems to be an abomination to US posters.
So, I don't think you'll get to many Cdns. wanting to enter this debate.
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