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How long do you hold IVF when drawing blood from PICC line?



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No. 10
from iluvivt
Old Aug 18, 2008, 04:23 AM

Default Re: How long do you hold IVF when drawing blood from PICC line?
One minute is adequate along with an appropriate discard to ensure you will get a clean and good specimen. If you are drawing from a multilumen lines,any lumen with infusions must be stopped as well. This may pose problems with certain drips like the vasopressors,and in that case another option for the draw must be selected. Personally,I can hear the lung sounds better from the posterior assessment especially in the bases and especially in women with large breasts.
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No. 11
from RNsRWe
Old Aug 18, 2008, 10:48 AM

Default Re: How long do you hold IVF when drawing blood from PICC line?
Originally Posted by uscstu4lfe View Post
Do you have to have an order to draw from a PICC line? It's been so long that I have forgotten.

I had 2 preceptors during my orientation - both of them didn't even bother to listen to lung sounds, unless the patient was admitted for something respiratory. And somehow, through the grace of God, they always charted that the lung sounds were clear. Amazing!
No, no order needed. Most MDs will assume that you ARE drawing from the PICC if the patient indeed has one. We only don't draw from the PICC if the MD prefers not to for some specific reason, and that's quite rare.

As for the lung assessment guesswork, well....that's fraudulent charting, and poor nursing assessments. Preceptors, huh?
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No. 12
from RNsRWe
Old Aug 18, 2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueHenRN View Post
Is it necessary to waste 10 mL? When I worked MedSurg, we wasted 5 mL. It was the protocol, but now I wonder if that would mess with anything?
*Jess*
You're supposed to waste whatever you use as the flush. If you're flushing with 10cc, you should be wasting 10cc. Put it in, draw it out, then get "fresh" blood for the labwork.
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No. 13
from BlueHenRN
Old Aug 18, 2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RNsRWe View Post
You're supposed to waste whatever you use as the flush. If you're flushing with 10cc, you should be wasting 10cc. Put it in, draw it out, then get "fresh" blood for the labwork.
Thanks so much for letting me know that, although I've never heard it. I was also taught to flush TPN lines with 20 mL, so I guess that means (eek) 20 mL of waste?
Thanks again!
*Jess*
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No. 14
Old Aug 18, 2008, 02:22 PM

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What lab told me -- and it can depend on the test they are running, too -- is they want a 10 cc waste, especially if it's a heparinized line. If it's a saline locked PICC, 5 is okay. I always do 10, then look in the MAR to see if they are a saline or hep flush.
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No. 15
from BlueHenRN
Old Aug 18, 2008, 05:18 PM

Default Re: How long do you hold IVF when drawing blood from PICC line?
Originally Posted by nerdtonurse? View Post
What lab told me -- and it can depend on the test they are running, too -- is they want a 10 cc waste, especially if it's a heparinized line. If it's a saline locked PICC, 5 is okay. I always do 10, then look in the MAR to see if they are a saline or hep flush.
*Whew* That makes me feel a lot better! My facility only used saline locked PICCs.
Thanks so much!
*Jess*
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No. 16
from queenjean
Old Aug 18, 2008, 08:53 PM

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I always listen to lungs pretty thoroughly. If it is someone that is difficult to turn for whatever reason (size, debility, pain) I will only listen anteriorly initially, and then when it is the next time to turn or change the pt, or if the pt is going to get up to the BSC soon, I just wait until then to listen posteriorly. If it is going to be a while, I get someone to help me at the time of the inital assessment.

I agree, I seem to hear "diminshed at bases" an awful lot. I try to chart that subjectively. I do not expect an 80 year old to sound like a 20 year old. But if the 80 year old sounds MORE diminished than a typical 80 year old should sound, I'll chart diminished.

Likewise, I've come across 30 year olds whose lungs are clear, but more diminished than a 30 year old should be. Clearer and fuller than your typical 80 year old with no pulmonary problems, but I'll still chart diminshed. KWIM?
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