how do we change nurses opinions on male nurses? - page 6

i guess this kinda goes along with my other post. I our discussion the topic came up that some older nurses do not seem to believe males should or can be nurses. especially in the ob areas. how could... Read More

  1. by   CCU NRS
    Were you called to be a nurse or was it the tremendous $$$$$ as if that drew you? As some of the posts have implied that males only got into the field for money and really don't care or even have the ability to care for Pts!
  2. by   nurseygrrl
    The $$$$?? There isn't enough money in the world for the aggravation we nurses put up with on a daily basis. Anyone who went into nursing purely for money is either really stupid or severely masochistic...:roll

    On male nurses...I have seen good and bad nurses in all shapes, sizes, genders, colors etc. I don't really think it matters. Yes, I do see some differences in the way male and female nurses operate, but that's just natural. I work with a lot of male nurses and CNAs too and most are terrific. I do think it takes a special kind of guy to become a nurse. It certainly isn't the typical male's job of choice.
  3. by   bedpan
    Were you called to be a nurse or was it the tremendous $$$$$ as if that drew you?

    I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt I was called

    And every single day that goes by I love it more

    I love the classes - I love the clinicals

    A number of our class volunteered to do BP's and Glucometers for a women's Health fair one Saturday - We were supposed to do one hour shifts and I had the last hour of the day - That turned in to almost 3 hours and I loved that too - For volunteering we were allowed to leave clinicals two hours early the next week - I asked and was given permission to just stay instead of leaving early - I didn't want to leave early!

    Not only will I be proud to be a Nurse and be the best that I can possibly be - I am proud to be a student Nurse
  4. by   Agnus
    Originally posted by CCU NRS
    Were you called to be a nurse or was it the tremendous $$$$$ as if that drew you? As some of the posts have implied that males only got into the field for money and really don't care or even have the ability to care for Pts!
    And what drew you to nursing? Geez. We are not catorgorizing or anything here are we?

    And further more when did it become a sin to be drawn to any profession because of the income pontential. There is nothing sacred about nursing that says we must be martyers. I do not reacall taking a vow of poverty when I entered this profession. OR DO YOU DO IT FOR FREE?


    Further more have you never complained that you are not paid what you are worth? Because I hear that all the time on this board that we are not paid enough from WOMEN.

    If you look around there are a lot easier ways for a man (or anyone else) to make $$$ and a lot more of it than we do in nursing.
  5. by   Agnus
    Originally posted by icuabbie
    It has been enlightening to read the posts on this subject. I'm a 44 y.o. critical care nurse and have worked with alot of male nurses. The problems we have on our unit is that the majority of male rns are very young, many using the icu as a stepping stone to nurse anesthesist school and most work nights because of the differential and the decreased work load. I don't have a problem with male nurses unless they do a substandard job on the unit. Most are technically good but lack a certain professionalism and maturity and sense of real empathy and caring toward the pts. and family. Many do as little as they have to then sit down and read, watch tv or engage in immature boy pranks like rubber band fights. I have to admit that in my experience the majority of male nurses that I have worked with are mediocre. I challenge those of you out there to be a good role model and put your pts needs first. The secret to being a REAL NURSE is to always put your patients need before your own and take any extra time you have to give to your team, patients and their families.
    Since when is it wrong to want to advance your career and not stay in one place. We aplaude women who become AP nurses. Frankly I see a LOT of women who fit the discription that you have given. And some of them are your age and older.

    And when did it become a sin to work nights? The differential and decreased work load (were do you work that the work load is decreased, have you actually worked nights for any length of time?) Are used to attract nurses to nights.

    Sounds like you resent these men for having a desire to advance themself and you resent that they get a differential for working a shift that few people want. And you assume the load is easier because it is not your load. Maybe you are working nights yourself if you are what is your excuse?

    When did it become WRONG or IMORAL to want an easier work day? Ther are trade offs to working nights you know.

    I do not buy into martyre syndrome. If I always put everyone else first and my self last as you suggest I will be ill, burnd out, bitter, self rightious, and lacking empathy for my collegues and patients.
    Last edit by Agnus on Dec 5, '03
  6. by   bluesky
    I think it's dangerous to make generalizations about anyone. I also have met plenty of excellent male nurses as well as mediocre ones in the same proportion as with the females.

    Of course the nurses who happen to be male don't like to be classified or pigeon holed.

    Please consider this before starting threads that accuse the nursing culture of being catty, backstabing, females as I have OFTEN seen on this blackboard.
  7. by   Agnus
    Originally posted by bluesky
    I think it's dangerous to make generalizations about anyone. I also have met plenty of excellent male nurses as well as mediocre ones in the same proportion as with the females.

    Of course the nurses who happen to be male don't like to be classified or pigeon holed.

    Please consider this before starting threads that accuse the nursing culture of being catty, backstabing, females as I have OFTEN seen on this blackboard.
    I agree with your remarks about generalizations. Nurses who happen to be male and nurses who happen to be female and everyone else do not like to be pigeon holed

    I have not see one male here make that accucusation. Including the one that started the thread but I see it demonstrated by females on this thread. And I have seen it demonstrated by both male AND female on other threads.

    Evidently this thread is touched a sore spot with some women. Which suggest to me there is truth in what these men are saying.

    VERY sad
    Last edit by Agnus on Dec 5, '03
  8. by   hbscott
    It has been my experience that Nursing Culture and Nursing Image have contributed to many problems in nursing. This includes the negative stereotyping of both males and females in the nursing profession.

    I came to nursing with tremendous enthusiasm but left with great bitterness because of issues noted on this and other nursing bulletin boards.

    The reality is that the nursing profession does not have a unifying professional culture and/or image strong enough to overcome these persistent negative stereotypes.

    I have been in health care for 23 years and my opinion is based upon these experiences. Have things changed for the better over the years? Maybe. Maybe not. But after reading these and other nursing threads I can still see that Nursing has a long, long way to go to be fully embraced as profession in the mind's eye of the public.

    -HBS
    Last edit by hbscott on Dec 5, '03
  9. by   bluesky
    Originally posted by Agnus

    Evidently this thread is touched a sore spot with some women. Which suggest to me there is truth in what these men are saying.

    VERY sad
    Listen I have read posts on many occasions (some by men, some by women) making this generalization about nursing culture. I am "sore" about it not because I feel that there is legitimacy to it, but because I feel that it degrades ourselves and the great work we do.
  10. by   hbscott
    How do we determine a claim to be valid or not? Many threads in this and other bulletin boards have pointed out various problems in nursing practice or profession today.

    Many men have claimed that there are problems with negative stereotyping and discrimination practices by other nurses towards men that appears to be gender based.

    Many women also have claimed that that there are problems in nursing practice and the nursing profession that negatively impact them.

    So what is the solution people? Just deny the problem and hope it goes away?

    I don't think so.....
  11. by   CCU NRS
    Originally posted by Agnus
    And what drew you to nursing? Geez. We are not catorgorizing or anything here are we?

    And further more when did it become a sin to be drawn to any profession because of the income pontential. There is nothing sacred about nursing that says we must be martyers. I do not reacall taking a vow of poverty when I entered this profession. OR DO YOU DO IT FOR FREE?


    Further more have you never complained that you are not paid what you are worth? Because I hear that all the time on this board that we are not paid enough from WOMEN.

    If you look around there are a lot easier ways for a man (or anyone else) to make $$$ and a lot more of it than we do in nursing.
    My point exactly and that is why I was posting because earlier the comment was made that males only got into nursing when the money became significant. In fact I have gone and found the quote

    Originally posted by passing thru
    I think it will just take time.

    Men have "ganged up" on women and gave females a very difficult time when women tried to break into previously all male occupations.

    When the laws changed in the 60's and females were allowed in careers that had previously been all male.

    The postal service....was tough. So was construction and law.

    I'm sure there's others.

    Men just have to show they care and can do the job and want to be team members. It isn't inherent that men are "nurturer's"

    There are reasons why nursing/nurturing was a female job for so long.

    It isn't the call to nurse sick people that is drawing men into the occupation. It is the $$$$.

    The $$$ has FINALLY gotten high enough to attract men's attention..... and,

    it beats iron working, roofing, road building, bridge building, house/ skyscraper building.

    Better than trucking down a river on a barge in 20 degree weather,
    or climbing an oil rig,

    sitting on a tractor plowing twelve hours a day - - in the hot sun,...

    beats lumber jacking,
    beats working in oil refineries and chemical plants...

    beats the stress of an assembly line..,

    Nursing is a grand job compared to what most American men do.

    end quote.

    I am neither a martyr or a volunteer and as I stated earlier I get what I want because I am willing to ask for it as many women are traditionally too timid to aks for raises. I also stated that one of the reasons the wages are rising for nurses is because males have entered the profession not vice/versa
  12. by   Agnus
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    Last edit by Agnus on Dec 6, '03
  13. by   shodobe
    I have been in nursing for 27 years, all but a few months in the OR. I hate to tell you but I went into the profession for job security. I know to a lot of you this seems like a joke, but I have never been without a job nor will I ever. Plus the wages aren't too bad, I just got a raise and now make $36.63/hour. I am NOT per diem! I really like my job. Everyday is a different experience, especially in the OR. All cases are different and the patients are always different even though they might be getting the same procedure as the previous patient. I work with some of the best nurses my hospital has, male or female. There are some in the place I wouldn't give two cents to because of their ineptness and pure stupidity. I really don't know how some of them passed boards! More and more guys are going into nursing today than when I started and this is great. But don't think they are all doing it for some so-called "calling". Job security has always been an attraction because they won't have to worry about being laid off somewhere. I know there are alot of places out there that pay very poor wages and I would wonder about nursing if I made such low amounts. I think I am an exception to the rule of nursing for guys and have no problem with that. I still view nurses as nurses and not by gender. Mike

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