help, i didn't know i did something wrong

  1. hello everyone,
    hope somebody can help.

    i'm a per diem nurse and work at several hospitals. two of the hospitals require acls. when i went for my recert, i billed both hospital for fulfilling a job requirement. my new nurse manager, said I CANNOT do this and is accusing me of falsifying documentation.

    I didn't realize this, each different hospital required this education and now she's saying i'm deceitful for doing such a thing.

    i'm scared i'm going to lose my job, i didn't realize i was doing anything wrong, it's a job requirement.

    thanks
    sarah
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  2. 30 Comments

  3. by   Susan9608
    I don't understand ....

    You got re-certified in ACLS and billed both hospitals for the course? Is that right?

    If that's so, then yeah, I think that's a little unfair. After all, you only paid for the course once, right? But were being reimbursed by both hospitals?

    But then, how did the one hospital find out that you billed the other hospital for the same class?

    Or did you take the class twice?

    I don't understand this situation. Perhaps you could clarify?
  4. by   Sisukas
    She took the class once and billed both hospitals on her time card, I assume. If both hospitals are in the same corporation, I guess the NM can see the pay code on the time card.
    Apologize and ask both facilities to remove the pay from your next check. You'll lose some money and gain some good will.
  5. by   strive4mores
    hi,
    i work at several different hospital, non are affliated but two have requirements that i take acls/cpr. i was fulfilling a job requirement. I had no idea since i'm not staff that if a hospital required this education that i wasn't allowed to bill them for meeting my job requirement.

    god, what a mess!



    Quote from Sisukas
    She took the class once and billed both hospitals on her time card, I assume. If both hospitals are in the same corporation, I guess the NM can see the pay code on the time card.
    Apologize and ask both facilities to remove the pay from your next check. You'll lose some money and gain some good will.
  6. by   TazziRN
    [font=book antiqua]pardon me for sounding harsh, but how could you even begin to think it was right to bill two employers for the same job?? acls may be required by both, but since it is a physical impossibility to take time off from two facilities to take one course.....the thought being that if you weren't taking the course that day you would be working at one or the other......you cannot bill both for the time.
    [font=book antiqua]
    [font=book antiqua]if i were in your shoes i would be groveling to the nm right now, saying, "i wasn't trying to falsify anything, i just wasn't thinking." you can bet that nm may well have said something to the other one, so i also think it would be a good idea to give the money back to both and chalk it up to an expensive lesson learned.
  7. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from strive4mores

    i'm scared i'm going to lose my job, i didn't realize i was doing anything wrong, it's a job requirement.

    thanks
    sarah
    i'm trying to follow your logic.

    you knew it was a requirement in both places, yet you didn't take the course twice.
    you knew that much, anyway.
    but to double bill???
    why????????
    you knew enough to only take the course 1 time.

    i agree w/others.
    you need to pay for both courses, followed by a humble apology.
    dang, sarah...

    leslie
  8. by   TracyB,RN
    Sooo, let me get this straight..
    One ACLS class charged to 2 different hospitals & you didn't know that was wrong??
  9. by   Tweety
    I think the genreal concensus is that you were wrong and should try to make it right.
    Last edit by Tweety on Sep 16, '07
  10. by   BabyRN2Be
    Quote from strive4mores
    hi,
    i work at several different hospital, non are affliated but two have requirements that i take acls/cpr. i was fulfilling a job requirement. I had no idea since i'm not staff that if a hospital required this education that i wasn't allowed to bill them for meeting my job requirement.

    god, what a mess!
    Like Tazzi, I'm not trying to be harsh, I'm just trying to figure out why someone should show you any leniency regarding double billing. Yes, we know that it was a job requirement, but in essence, it looks like you were trying to get payment from someone (one of your employers) for taking the class. That's not the way it works. You pay them for classes - for their time, expertise, materials, everything included in the class.

    I really just want to get this straight in my mind, why is it OK to bill two hospitals for taking the same required class?

    And Tweety summed it up pretty well, too. I'm just trying to get what could be the underlying reason why it may be OK to double bill.
  11. by   ♪♫ in my ♥
    Edited: Hopping off of the pile.
    Last edit by ♪♫ in my ♥ on Sep 16, '07
  12. by   santhony44
    I'd pay it back ASAP.

    If both are willing to pay for the course, then in the future you could negotiate in advance that each one picks up half.

    I would apologize profusely to both places, pay each one back in full, and be extremely careful from here on out. If not, you may find it difficult to find work.
  13. by   April, RN
    How was the documentation falsified?
  14. by   cardiacRN2006
    It's just tacky. Considering that you're a per diem nurse at these places, you will be lucky to keep your job.


    Quote from strive4mores

    i'm a per diem nurse and work at several hospitals. two of the hospitals require acls.
    If more of the hospitals that you work for had required ACLS, were you going to charge them too?

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