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No. 30
Old Oct 25, 2009, 05:13 AM

Default Re: Have recent generations forgotten correct spelling and grammar?
I'm admittedly not a very good speller. I'm a bit better with grammar. I do feel spelling and grammar are important, particularly on a professional forum. Nursing school is hard. Nurses are smart. I don't want an outsider looking in on this forum getting the impression that we're dumb or lazy because of horribly spelling and grammar. I do try and spell check my posts (built in to my browser) and will correct errors I notice.
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No. 31
Old Oct 25, 2009, 07:02 AM

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I've actually noticed typos and misspellings and incorrect punctuation more and more in the past months. In my literature, on CNN.com, in a nursing magazine, the newspaper, books I read. You can't escape it! It just means that people aren't taking their time anymore.
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No. 32
from tewdles
Old Oct 25, 2009, 09:12 AM

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I don't worry too much about grammar or spelling on forums...
It is more of a concern in a legal document. I can only imagine that it might not be too much fun to have to interpret your spelling and grammar during a deposition..but then I am now officially "old" and probably don't have a clue as to what is fun today.
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No. 33
from TigerGalLE
Old Oct 25, 2009, 09:23 AM

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Well, since I am probably in the generation that you are referring to, I'll comment. When I was in high school and college, all of my essays were typed on computers. The computer fixed my errors and I never learned the correct way to do it. I think if I had been forced to hand write all of my essays I would have learned more about grammar, punctuation, and spelling.

Also being a nurse, I am a math/science girl. English is my worst subject and I loathe writing essays.

And when I came along text messaging and AOL instant messenger were my only mode of communication with friends. So then I learned a whole new language that many older generations would never be able to interpret.

TTYL
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No. 34
Old Oct 25, 2009, 10:45 AM

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I am of the old school. I had very strict English teachers. There were weekly spelling tests. There was the dreaded "diagramming of the sentence" exercise (yuck). Last, but certainly not least, the most dreadful of all mistakes, the comma splice. That offense would get the paper an automatic F, no matter how well thought out and researched it had been.

I see horrid mistakes in charting. Charting is a legal document. Personally, I try to make my charting as professional as possible. Having been on a malpractice jury, the lawyers latched onto anything and everything to lessen credibility of the doctors and nurses.

My 26 year old is horrified at mistakes made by some of her peers and some who are younger than her.

Just an old school fuddy-duddy.
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No. 35
from llg
Old Oct 25, 2009, 11:32 AM
Updated Oct 25, 2009 at 08:10 PM by llg

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I make a big distinction between casual "chatting" on a forum such as this one ... and more formal writing. Here, I am very tolerant of misspellings and typos as I know that most of us are typing quickly and not taking a lot of time to proof-read and correct all of our casual convesation here.

But I am bothered by the appearance we give of our profession when we nurses use poor grammar on more formal documents. It makes us look very poorly educated when others can see that we don't know how to write in complete sentences, don't know that every sentence needs both a subject and a verb, don't know the right words or meanings of common expressions, etc.

As a part-time faculty member in an RN-BSN program, I grade student term papers. These are formal papers written in APA style, etc. I am appalled by the poor grammar, awkward or incorrect word usage, wrong punctuation, etc. that I see in approximately 33% of my students. Not only is it "not college level writing," it is "not 8th grade level" writing. The same people seem to also have a hard time understanding the textbook and the nursing articles that we read in class. These students were obviously "passed along" in their earlier schooling without ever having to master the English language. they haven't forgotten it: they never learned it.

While such students may be adequate direct patient care providers, I am always conflicted about how to grade them. I am not teaching physical bedside care-giving skills. Their bedside clinical skills are irrelevant in assessing their academic skills. I am teaching them in their academic classes -- and that level of reading comprehension and writing is simply not at the college (BSN) level. I struggle with that.
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No. 36
Old Oct 25, 2009, 02:18 PM
Updated Oct 25, 2009 at 02:36 PM by CASTLEGATES

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Originally Posted by llg View Post
I make a big distinction between casual "chatting" on a forum such as this one ... and more formal writing. Here, I am very tolerant of misspellings and typos as I know that most of us are typing quickly and not taking a lot of time to proof-read and correct all of our casual convesation here.

But I am bothered by the appearance we give of our profession when we nurses use poor grammar on more formal documents. It makes us look very poorly educated when others can see that we don't know how to write in complete sentences, don't know that every sentence needs both a subject and a verb, don't know the right words or meanings of common expressions, etc.

As a part-time faculty member in an RN-BSN program, I grade student term papers. These are formal papers written in APA style, etc. I am appalled by the poor grammar, awkward or incorrect word usage, wrong punctuation, etc. that I see in approximately 33% of my students. Not only is it "not college level writing," it is "not 8th grade level" writing. The same people seem to also have a lot of time understanding the textbook and the nursing articles that we read in class. These students were obviously "passed along" in their earlier schooling without ever having to master the English language. they haven't forgotten it: they never learned it.

While such students may be adequate direct patient care providers, I am always conflicted about how to grade them. I am not teaching physical bedside care-giving skills. Their bedside clinical skills are irrelevant in assessing their academic skills. I am teaching them in their academic classes -- and that level of reading comprehension and writing is simply not at the college (BSN) level. I struggle with that.
In my school, the instructors say, "incorrect spelling or punctuation- one letter grade off". They'd also add "you're in college and we're not your parents so take initiative". I think it's perfectly acceptable to expect college level writing from a college student. If they're subpar and passed along again, what does that say of an instructor's teaching ability or the school's reputation post grad? That's mainly what I'm talking about-never online stuff unless it's apparent they just can't spell then my mind goes in to "did they pay attention to xyz in school, as well?" How does a college graduate NOT write like a grade school-er?

I write as I speak so you'll see all kinds of messy stuff that I try to do so you can hear me talking. Given a chart, it's going to be all spelled correctly but I will admit a comma may be off given an added thought mid sentence, etc. Like I said, my 9 year old saw spelling issues and pointed this out. We're college grads; how are they passing this? At least I'm not alone in my observation of the increase...

Here's another thread about the spoken word...what's happening? http://allnurses.com/general-nursing...ly-312525.html
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No. 37
Old Oct 25, 2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by llg View Post
I make a big distinction between casual "chatting" on a forum such as this one ... and more formal writing. Here, I am very tolerant of misspellings and typos as I know that most of us are typing quickly and not taking a lot of time to proof-read and correct all of our casual convesation here.

But I am bothered by the appearance we give of our profession when we nurses use poor grammar on more formal documents. It makes us look very poorly educated when others can see that we don't know how to write in complete sentences, don't know that every sentence needs both a subject and a verb, don't know the right words or meanings of common expressions, etc.

As a part-time faculty member in an RN-BSN program, I grade student term papers. These are formal papers written in APA style, etc. I am appalled by the poor grammar, awkward or incorrect word usage, wrong punctuation, etc. that I see in approximately 33% of my students. Not only is it "not college level writing," it is "not 8th grade level" writing. The same people seem to also have a lot of time understanding the textbook and the nursing articles that we read in class. These students were obviously "passed along" in their earlier schooling without ever having to master the English language. they haven't forgotten it: they never learned it.

While such students may be adequate direct patient care providers, I am always conflicted about how to grade them. I am not teaching physical bedside care-giving skills. Their bedside clinical skills are irrelevant in assessing their academic skills. I am teaching them in their academic classes -- and that level of reading comprehension and writing is simply not at the college (BSN) level. I struggle with that.
llg, I agree with you on that. I teach part time, and 2 papers last semester were written by 20-22 yr olds and were written strictly in texting format (yes, cell phone texting). Both had wanted to turn in the papers late, I mean they only had 10 weeks to write 4 pages in APA format. I failed them both, and of course, I'm the mean b**** that failed them, not the lack of common sense that had to do with it. In fact, talking to other instructors in this program, this is not isolated. I'm not dissing younger people, but many are caught up with the texting/IM age that has created this. What you do on a chat site is one thing, what you do on a professional paper/legal document is strictly something else.
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No. 38
Old Oct 25, 2009, 03:05 PM

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You notice it in the younger generation, but I notice it much more in the older generation of nurses. I almost cringe when I hear "I seen it" or "These ones"... and much more from some of the older nurses I work with, but I'm sure it's seen across the board. Spelling errors happen, even with the best of us. But sometimes I wonder how we have all of these great educated nurses who don't act like they are educated at all!
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No. 39
Old Oct 25, 2009, 04:13 PM

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Not to be biased but forget it, this comment is for the 28 and below group. How much do we actually write out on pen and paper? We email, we text, we myspace, we facebook - all informal so who cares? We write our school papers with spellcheck, we chart on a computer, and in my little experience with charting there is almost always a list that you select from, with occasional annotation. Most text messages auto correct for you when you text, so I think we get lazy. I can think of very few things that are expected to be written out on paper with pen. I am personally a list maker so I write to myself frequently with my to-do list, to buy list, etc. But if I actually stoppped to think about how to spell half of the things I write, I would be in trouble
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