Grey's Anatomy Premier!!! + How to Contact Show Creators - page 8
Oh my god! I haven't posted in a long time, but I just had to post again. I'm watching the premier of Grey's Anatomy -- any of you see this?? (new show on ABC) The Doctor, after being questioned... Read More
Mar 31, '05Its mass media and entertainment, not a documentary. I watched the show a couple of times and I didn't feel insulted at all. I wasn't impressed and I've been in hospitals that gave the 007 award. I've also taught an intern or two how to start IV's and draw blood. Screaming at ABC isn't going to change anything. The only thing that has changed media is when Hollywood found out that people actually wanted to see PG and PG-13 movies and that most of the R rated ones tanked.
I think the MD union would be more up in arms about how they are portrayed in media, show's like sure make MD's look like a bunch of idiots. But as a group they are more confident in themselves.
Instead of blaming media, and writing "nasty" letters lets actually be professional and show the world who and what we are. People complain about Johnson & Johnson's campaign. But at least someone is out there talking about nurses. Get up out of the chair and be a voice. Go to civic organizations, go to , stand up in church, be an advocate for health care and nursing care.
Mar 31, '05Well here is my contribution. I am on a consumer panel that reviews ABC TV shows and this is the opinion that I gave when they solicited it. I used the same letter in Karen's indicated place to email. I'm sure that some of you will not like it, but that is expected.
I am writing to express grave concern about the portrayal of the nursing profession in the premiere of "Grey's Anatomy." In my view you blew a fantastic opportunity to show how nurses teach new physicians, and that experienced nurses are highly educated, dedicated individuals with great health knowledge.
"A Hard Day's Night" went out of its way to underscore the surgeon's contemptuous views of nurses, and to reinforce the portrayal of nurses as unattractive, under skilled subordinates. There were so few appearances of nurses that it was as if they rarely exist in the hospital environment and that they are rarely used in any capacity of health care when the true fact is that nurses are the caregivers in health care, and in fact the physician's appearance is marginal!. Physicians peek in and out and occasionally appear. You portray this untruthfully and just the opposite of actuality!
None of your nurses even have a name! Only surgeons play significant roles in your care discussions, and only their actions matter in patient care, which is a huge untruth! You do not show that the nurses are the caregivers who interact with patients, and provide patient support, NOT the physicians. In real life, nurses provide education and care options to less than knowing interns! The misconception that physicians provide all meaningful care is blatantly pushed beyond repugnancy in your contemptuous definition and endorsement of your surgeons' contemptuous views of nurses.
Rhimes said: "the way people look at people on television is the way they perceive the world," and that "we can change the assumptions that people have simply by the images they see in the background of the show." - March 25, 2005, NPR interview: Isaiah Washington and Shonda Rhimes
"Gray's Anatomy", another of television's damaging misconceptions of medical care portrayed to the American public to the further determent of the safety of public health! Don't you people have any concept of responsibility to the public, to create positive results in the area a health care, an already DANGEROUS situation to the populous due to the extreme nursing shortage? When will television and ABC take a stand for improving the lives of it's viewers instead of instilling harmful misconceptions of an already broad misconception of medicine?
Choose to be part of the solution to the nursing shortage by a positive presentation of nursing in your show and correct your warped, misconstrued, misconceived, and falsely portrayed view of nursing on "Grey's Anatomy." Better yet do a new series, a truthful one about the heroes of health care: NURSES! This is a critical time in US medicine, and the public is at great risk! Help to improve public understanding of nursing, and dispel the public misconceptions which programming like Scrubs, Dr. Kildare, ER, and now Grey's Anatomy perpetuate, falsely portraying Nurses to be the stupid, uneducated, servants of the physician. The BSN degree is a four-year degree, and Nursing of today is filled with advanced masters and doctorate degree nurses! Your untruthful portrayal of nurses being helpless, blue collar, unskilled subordinates of health care is unforgivable.
During your seizure patient's code scene: Meredith does a total brain lapse, and the nurse's voice is prompting her: "You need to tell us what you want to do!" Nurses do not need to be told what to do in cases such as these. But your false portrayal shows them waiting for an Intern? to make a decision? NO! Eventually Meredith recovers, initiates and performs defibrillation, saving the patient. NO! The nurses working hard, portrayed to have minimal technical knowledge, and no suggestions for her and helplessly wait for her command. NO! The nurses wait for Meredith to take action to save the patient. NO! You show five nurses with no clue! How ridiculous! The nurses would have immediately done the defibrillation, then would have looked upon her as the idiot that she was! Nurses assume physician concurrence in the absence of an objection. Nurses are the ones who defibrillate, rarely, if ever the physician! Your message to the public was that five nurses with many years of combined experience had no clue of advice to offer an intern on their first day on the job. That was a disgusting untruthful portrayal!
Alex calls Meredith a nurse as an insult! Where is your head? You insulted the profession of nursing and lowered it into the cesspool. You destroyed the nurse for doing her job. The nurse is THE patient advocate! The ONLY patient advocate in health care! You could care less! If you end up in a hospital perhaps you should go incognito! Particularly, since you feel nurses to be annoying old pests who only serve to tell the public something about the beautiful, perfect interns, and have no other purpose! You also made a specific slam at nursing education: "nurses have not been to medical school, therefore pretty much all they can do is mechanically identify symptoms." Viewers were mis-lead. Nurses are college-educated critical thinkers! Physician abuse is the major factor in nurse burnout and is the real threat to patients in today's health care!
Alex trashes a nurse, who gives correct diagnoses and calls Meredith a nurse when she questions the diagnosis. Meredith takes great offense at being called a nurse. A perfect example of Suzanne Gordon's termed: "dress for success" feminism, in which women who pursue traditionally male professions like medicine disdain those in traditionally female ones like nursing is portrayed in your "I hate nurses" scene. Your program exhibits contempt for nursing.
Your portrayal of nurses in your program says that smart, aggressive, attractive, professional women do NOT become nurses! You should check me out. I am a 58-year-old "dish" (forgive my lack of modesty) who has left the business world to begin nursing school! Now! There is a story for you! You are so far off base on your concept of what a nurse is, that I wonder what world you live in!
With the media's proven influence on the public, an influence Ms. Rhimes acknowledged in her recent NPR interview, your show's attack on nursing will do more than its part to exacerbate the nursing crisis that is taking lives worldwide. I urge you to listen to nurses' ideas as to how that will happen.
"Grey's Anatomy" will have a negative effect on public health. You contribute to the chaos in health at a time when most of the world confronts huge nursing shortages. Substantial research confirms Ms. Rhimes' view that entertainment television is a powerful force in shaping public views and actions, including in the health care context. Use your show to make a positive influence on viewer's concepts by telling viewers that nurses are highly skilled, autonomous professionals who save lives and improve outcomes every day, and who do it without asking physicians what to do in times of crisis.
Contribute a positive influence to the public understanding of nursing at this critical time. You are in the position to take responsible positive action that could make a huge positive contribution to the world health care crises!Last edit by allamericangirl on Mar 31, '05
Mar 31, '05I think the MD union would be more up in arms about how they are portrayed in media, show's like Scrubs sure make MD's look like a bunch of idiots. But as a group they are more confident in themselves.
People complain about Johnson & Johnson's campaign. But at least someone is out there talking about nurses. Get up out of the chair and be a voice. Go to civic organizations, go to schools, stand up in church, be an advocate for health care and nursing care.[/QUOTE]
I like the way Craig B-RN thinks... :yeahthat: I've seen Johnson & Johnson ads that portray nurses in a great light. (I also love the "are you man enough to be a nurse?" posters) I don't see the harm in some well placed, educated letters of disappointment, but if we send angry letters we are likely to make ourselves look petty.
On the other hand, doctors can be confident enough not to care because they already have an established role in the american mind as heroes and gods. There are so many people, especially the elderly, who feel that their doctor can do no wrong. "If the doctor said it, it must be true."
It would be nice for people to realize that nurses and doctors have to work as as partners in order to make patient care work. Both physicians and nurses are classified as professionals. Let's allow people to see that through our actions.Last edit by angelladyclaire on Mar 31, '05
Mar 31, '05allamericangirl's post is a prime example of what I am saying. If we lose our cool and send letters with sentences that are unreadable we make ourselves look ridiculous. Instead of losing our cool, we should send collected and throughtful letters to show the execs how professional and educated we really are.
Mar 31, '05Maybe the real problem is that we don't teach people to be able to diferentiate between fiction and reality. I'ts a fictional show about a babe intern having sex with her attending. I'ts not about medicine or nursing. It just happens to be set in a hospital. It could as easily be a law office, a shool, whatever.
Be positive, I go to schools, With the schools permision i talk to sports teams during practice. I put articles in the paper, I speak at the senior centers. I don't smeg TV, I just portray it as fiction, and then tell them about the reality.
Now if this was a documentary, I'd have a differnt opinion. I was working at Johns Hopkins when film crew were there. I know they got many hours of footage of nurses. BUt it was the good looking blond female surgeon who gabe it all up that got their attention. That bothered me.
Be proactive. Let everyone on you block know what nurses are and what they do, Make sure your church knows, you're kids school mates, then when FICTION comes out in mass media, they won't take it for reality.
Mar 31, '05Quote from rach_nc_03im totally stealing this from you. it's so damned true.It really ought to be, "I do the vast majority of the work, since the doctor sees you for about three minutes a day when you're in the hospital. Oh, and I keep the green residents from killing you. If it weren't for me, you'd never get your medications, the physicians would have no clue what's going on with you, and you'd probably be lying in a pool of your own excrement. I am a nurse."
i sent them an email, i hope they read it.
Mar 31, '05Why can't they make a serious show about nursing? In fact, it wouldn't need to be all serious as we all know how often moments of hilarity occur during a nomal shift. So, my question would be, what area should the show focus on? There's already an ER show, so I guess that area would be out. All the network has to do is consult nurses on events and things that actually happen, with a little "changing the name to protect the innocent" the would probably have a hit show that would educate the public on the real world of nursing. They could show the moments when the nurse is the one the patient turns to for support, the moments where the nurse is crying, having just lost a patient, moments when a coworker is telling everyone a dumb joke to lighten the mood, times where the nurse is telling the doctor that the patient is going sour and he/she needs to see that patient right now. Times where the nurse initiated treatment immediately because that's what the patient needs. There are all kinds of scenerios that would make for a hit show. What do you all think?
Mar 31, '05Like most shows on network TV, this one aims at the lowest common denominator. I love cable!
Mar 31, '05We have to convince the producers that a "serious" nurse program would be marketable. I'm not sure that all the nurses in the world would make enough of a finacial market to support it. It's TV. The nurses would be either to pretty, to stupid, to something or other.
Mar 31, '0514 Hours
Just after I posted the last message I read a review on "14 hours". I"ll have to watch it, it's supposed to be pro nurse and how they reacted to the disaster in Houston.
Mar 31, '05Quote from rach_nc_03It really ought to be, "I do the vast majority of the work, since the doctor sees you for about three minutes a day when you're in the hospital. Oh, and I keep the green residents from killing you. If it weren't for me, you'd never get your medications, the physicians would have no clue what's going on with you, and you'd probably be lying in a pool of your own excrement. I am a nurse."Quote from geekgolightlyYes it is true, but do we always have to bring excrement into it?? It doesn't exactly help our struggle for professional recognition. Also, believe it or not, some nurses' days actually DO NOT revolve around bedpansim totally stealing this from you. it's so damned true.
i sent them an email, i hope they read it.Last edit by RN4NICU on Mar 31, '05 : Reason: clarification
Mar 31, '05Quote from angelladyclaireAt least she got involved. At least she got up off her duff and did something about it. It's just too easy to criticize those who do take action against injustice, isn't it, instead of attacking the injustice itself.
allamericangirl's post is a prime example of what I am saying. If we lose our cool and send letters with sentences that are unreadable we make ourselves look ridiculous. Instead of losing our cool, we should send collected and throughtful letters to show the execs how professional and educated we really are.
Please feel free to share your letters. Remember, professional writers have professional editors to help them out. Very few of them are ace spellers or grammarians, they just have a burning desire to say something.
Mar 31, '05I guess the area of contention here is whether there is injustice or not. You look at any TV show or movie and no proffesion or person is left untouched. I don't think that every person who works in a 1 hour photo lab is a pervert after the Robin WIlliams movie. I don't think that FBI profilers always see visions. I don't think that every cop on the beat is corrupt.
IT's not action or inaction I'm talking about, It usefull and benificial action. It's action that actually changes things and doesnt' just make us feel good about writing a emotionally charged email.
I just don't hink it does any good. So my plan for me, becuase it works for me, is to spend the same energy and be productive.