Got a nurse aide fired... did I do the right thing? - page 5

Hi everyone, I'll just get right into it. I work as a LPN in a group home with a few individuals with intellectual disabilities. We also have a nurse aide who comes and helps out during daylight... Read More

  1. by   Steph41
    This patient population has few advocates. They need people surrounding them to look after them. These patients need not be taken for granted just because they may be "high functioning". Thank you for eliminating a safety risk by advocating for people who may not be able to advocate for themselves. I agree that she def got herself fired.
  2. by   MedSurgRN14
    l8308: nurses and aides fulfill different job functions, just like doctors, physical therapists, speech therapists etc. Nurse have a different education track (diploma, associates, bachelors) versus an aide (certification program). There is a greater responsibility and liability for the nurse position-- at most places only nurses can give medications and assess patients.
  3. by   lindseylpn
    Quote from MedSurgRN14
    l8308:at most places only nurses can give medications and assess patients.
    In group homes aides, techs, DSPs etc can usually give meds after a short med training class so, many homes don't have nurses. Our homes only have nurses when the client is being tube fed.
  4. by   lindseylpn
    Quote from hppygr8ful
    Welcome to the wonderful world of Group Home nursing!

    Hppy
    Agreed, I've been working in group homes for over a decade and unfortunately this is a common occurrence. We have a rep for being an "easy job" so, we get lots of staff that think they don't have to do anything, caregivers and nurses too. Most homes hire unlicensed caregivers and some will work their way thru each agency burning bridges at each. There are more good than bad staff but, it's definitely a high turnover area and many staff don't last long so, we always have new people. Our policy is to wake someone up if they doze off but, they differenciate between someone who just accidentally nods off and someone who covers up with a pillow and blanket and intentionally goes to sleep. All of night shift has accidentally head bobbed a time or two. Intentionality going to sleep is supposed to be immediate firing though but, we're usually so short handed that they usually just get a slap on the wrist. For repeat offenders people have actually been encouraged to take a picture and send it to management. I think you did the right thing.

    Group home nursing is an amazingly rewarding job and I absolutely love it but, this is one of the downfalls. I doubt this will be the last time you have to deal with something like this.
  5. by   brownbook
    I know you did the right thing. I would love someone to explain or cite the policy or laws stating it is against policy or law to take a co-worker's picture?

    My neighbor put security cameras on his house, one camera is pointed towards our patio and kitchen window, (our houses are very close together). I could not even find any clear cut law that says I have the right to privacy in my own yard!

    Even if there is any such law or policy about taking a co-worker's picture I don't care, you did the right thing.
  6. by   SweetPotatoes
    I sympathize with the poster who stated that their management wants extraordinary levels of proof regarding lazy coworkers.

    Nurses at my facility complain about some of the techs, but management will not do anything unless there is something in writing. I thought it would be enough if you had 10 nurses complaining about the same tech, but I guess mgmt needs to cover themselves against retaliation... And have documentation of the repeated offenses. I understand that but it's frustrating.

    Not just them, there's some lazy nurses also who need to go but are still here, for whatever reason.

    I wouldn't have taken a picture, but if that's all that your facility would believe jn order to finally do something then so be it. She got herself fired.
  7. by   medg
    I would've talked to her about it first. Maybe you would've found out she had another job, family responsibilities, school, etc...(I've juggled all 3 at the same time & know how exhausting it is)...it's still not an excuse for her not doing her job responsibilities but obviously she's not getting sleep & there's a reason why. Find out by talking to her & then offer her advice with a warning that you'd have to report it if she does it again. You would want someone to do that for you. You said you don't like her so it's hard to believe that you really wanted management to retrain her. Maybe you just wanted her to be punished but didn't think it would be as severe as her losing her job. I believe you when you say you feel bad about that. We also don't know what her attitude is like & that can make a difference in how you feel. My opinion.
  8. by   Ruby Vee
    Quote from medg
    I would've talked to her about it first. Maybe you would've found out she had another job, family responsibilities, school, etc...(I've juggled all 3 at the same time & know how exhausting it is)...it's still not an excuse for her not doing her job responsibilities but obviously she's not getting sleep & there's a reason why. Find out by talking to her & then offer her advice with a warning that you'd have to report it if she does it again. You would want someone to do that for you. You said you don't like her so it's hard to believe that you really wanted management to retrain her. Maybe you just wanted her to be punished but didn't think it would be as severe as her losing her job. I believe you when you say you feel bad about that. We also don't know what her attitude is like & that can make a difference in how you feel. My opinion.
    Someone who has been repeatedly warned about sleeping on the job, about spending her time at work lying on the couch watching Netflix and who has not improved their work ethic probably isn't going to improve their work ethic. Honestly, I don't think it's important WHY she's sleeping on the job. She's not getting paid for that -- she's getting paid for work she isn't doing. There's an enormous difference between someone accidentally drifting off to sleep while charting -- I've done that! -- or while standing up and leaning on a crash cart (I've done that, too) and someone who is lying on the couch, comfortably with a blanket. Lying on the couch says that even if you didn't MEAN to fall asleep at work, you haven't done anything to prevent it. It's hard to argue that someone who fell asleep standing up, feel asleep in their chair while charting and then fell OUT of their chair or someone who drifted off waiting for their computer to boot up is the same thing.
  9. by   Ben_Dover
    Oh... tough one. This Former CNA of yours can bring that employer to court easily, taking a picture of her without her permission and she's not even in public! Can simply say, was blinking my eyes when that picture was taken! Remember, you don't say a patient's "asleep or sleeping" on your documentation or charting.... at least that's one of the many things I've learned in nursing school.

    Hmmmm!!!

    P.s.
    I'm glad though she's out of your facility
  10. by   TriciaJ
    Quote from medg
    I would've talked to her about it first. Maybe you would've found out she had another job, family responsibilities, school, etc...(I've juggled all 3 at the same time & know how exhausting it is)...it's still not an excuse for her not doing her job responsibilities but obviously she's not getting sleep & there's a reason why. Find out by talking to her & then offer her advice with a warning that you'd have to report it if she does it again. You would want someone to do that for you. You said you don't like her so it's hard to believe that you really wanted management to retrain her. Maybe you just wanted her to be punished but didn't think it would be as severe as her losing her job. I believe you when you say you feel bad about that. We also don't know what her attitude is like & that can make a difference in how you feel. My opinion.
    It isn't anyone's business why she's so tired she's sleeping on the job. She agreed to perform certain duties in exchange for a paycheque. That was the deal. By not doing any of the work required, watching Netflix, sleeping, she's not holding up her end of the deal. Therefore the deal is off. That means she's fired. That's how it works.

    We don't know what her attitude is like? Yes we do. She has made that abundantly plain.
  11. by   NuGuyNurse2b
    Wow..
  12. by   Lev <3
    I think you did the right thing. People like that usually don't change.
  13. by   brownbook
    "It is not a crime to take a photo of someone at work. However depending on what happens next, if anything, there could be civil liability for using the photo for a commercial purpose without your consent, invading your privacy, or portraying you in a false light. The proper remedy would be to complain to your supervisor at work or the HR department if applicable."

    I know we are nurses not lawyers, but I sure wish someone smarter than me could cite a law that says you can't take someone's picture at work? I found this response in a very quick Google search. It is from 2009, and I am sure 10 lawyers could argue about it and come up with 20 answer!

    I would love to see this CNA complaining to human resources about this!

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