Gay Boomers and nursing attitudes - page 17

I read an interestiing article, in the NYT, today. Apparently the first wave of gay boomers have begun to hit our LTC, Assisted Living, home health agencies. And more and more of them are being... Read More

  1. by   fronkey bean
    Quote from Tweety
    fronkey bean said: "Tweety, I agree w/ everything you say except that it is "preached from pulpits around the country". There are some pulpits that preach a message of intolerance but not as many as you think. The evangelical community does not hate the gay community, many dislike the rampant open sexuallity of both the gay and the hetrosexual community but they don't hate either."

    I can certainly appreciate that not every pulpit is homophobic and didn't mean to imply that it was. But there are plenty of homophobic myths being preached from certain pulpits (not all, because as a former Christian, I've been to several gay-affirming churches). I don't hold any grudges or judge all Christians as being homophobic, but lets not sugar coat the facts either. Did you read the above posts before they were deleted....case in point.
    not sure which post you mean but understand what you mean. As a current Christian, I've seen tolerance and intolerance from Christians and non-Christians alike. I think it is just harder to take from Christians who have been saved by the mercy of God through the sacrifice of Jesus. How can anyone who partakes of God's grace think they have the right to judge another of God's children? (P.S not to get into theology but I was tayght that , unless you actively renounce Jesus, once saved always saved, so hopefully I'll see you in heaven someday.)
  2. by   czyja
    No posts on this thread in a while. Are we seeing the Q sign? Too bad as it was an interesting romp through the world of tolerance, theology, church, society, and long term care.

    I was thinking about the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence today because one of the number was interviewed in the NY Times with regard to Halloween being cancelled in the Castro (the historically gay neighborhood in San Francisco). I felt motivated to google them and check out their website. To be candid I was rather struck by the Christ-life that these men are living. Their big thing is of course fundraising for various charities. One event they do here in San Francisco raises money for HIV+ bicycle riders to enter the AIDS Lifecycle - a charity bike ride from San Francisco to LA. Alot of persons with AIDS would like to ride but do not have sufficient resources (ie rich friends) to come up with the $2,500 mininum donation. So the Sisters step in and make up the difference. How cool is that? Plus, they organized the first ever AIDS candlelight vigil. I also found it noteworthy that two of their early sisters were Registered Nurses.

    There is a tradition in the church of "Fools for Christ." They have historically been somewhat crazy and even a little heretical, but they live the Word in deed, not just name.

    Before one make a judgement about them receiving the Sacarament one might wish to look at their website and note what they have actually done.

    http://thesisters.org/sistory.html
  3. by   Tweety
    Quote from czyja
    An excellent although scholarly and somewhat dry read on this topic is the late John Boswell's "Christianity, Homosexuality, and Social Tolerance." His thesis might be loosely paraphrased as homophobia did not arise from nor is it intrinsically linked to Christian teaching. Rather, homophobia appears to arise from rural secular forces in society and tends to rise and fall in an opposite fashion from urban society. (ie the more urban a society the less homophobic).

    Sadly some churches have latched on to homosexuality as a proxy for all they find wrong in an increasing modern and urban world. I see their homophobia as the death throws of their errant theology.

    I offer the above not in defense of Christianity but rather as a means of understanding homophobia. Even if every pulpit in this country endorsed gay marriage tomorrow morning homophobia will still be with us.

    Point well taken. One can hardly call those who beat and killed Matthew Sheppherd "Christians". However, removing homophobia from the pulpits would certainly be a good start.

    My point, and it's the point you made above is that we do have to acknowledge that it's preached from some pulpits above and if you many fine people what is their beef with homosexuals and they will mention "sin" as their answer. No resolution of that when they have the Word of God on their side.
    Last edit by Tweety on Oct 30, '07
  4. by   Tweety
    Quote from fronkey bean
    not sure which post you mean but understand what you mean. As a current Christian, I've seen tolerance and intolerance from Christians and non-Christians alike. I think it is just harder to take from Christians who have been saved by the mercy of God through the sacrifice of Jesus. How can anyone who partakes of God's grace think they have the right to judge another of God's children? (P.S not to get into theology but I was tayght that , unless you actively renounce Jesus, once saved always saved, so hopefully I'll see you in heaven someday.)
    For some odd reason there was a bug when I was trying to quote you and it would not load so I did it that way.

    I agree, as a gay man it is much easier to brush off a non-religious person who calls me a pervert and other names, than it is to listen to a Christian tell me I'm an abomination (at the Gay and Lesbian Film Festival a few weeks ago there were several of those with loud speakers yelling into the crowd.....yep that's going to make me come back to the Lord real fast..........NOT.)
  5. by   cmo421
    Quote from Tweety
    For some odd reason there was a bug when I was trying to quote you and it would not load so I did it that way.

    I agree, as a gay man it is much easier to brush off a non-religious person who calls me a pervert and other names, than it is to listen to a Christian tell me I'm an abomination (at the Gay and Lesbian Film Festival a few weeks ago there were several of those with loud speakers yelling into the crowd.....yep that's going to make me come back to the Lord real fast..........NOT.)

    I was at a party the other night and was speaking to my niece(who is gay) and a teacher friend of hers. The teacher, who is a devote Catholic ,stated she is bound by her church to believe its teaching,thus is against homosexuality. Yet she also stated that she is taught in this particular sect,to honor all humans and respect their beliefs.Thus not agreeing with our lifestyle,she will not denounce it either. We agreed to disagree. People of different faiths/beliefs can get along,if we just use respect and honor as base in our treatment of others.
    I am not a real practicing catholic,although raised strict catholic and schooled as such. My parents where older,yet my Mother always taught us that ur first church is in u and ur home. My Father, worked for the Federal Goverment and was the first in our state to demand a black man be hired. Forty years later, that man came to my Dad's wake.There was no tolerance for any prejudice in our home. Everyone who was good at heart was accepted. We can all be religious in our worlds and I am sure that the powers that be accept us all.
  6. by   NYsante
    I presented the topic of gay elderly in efforts to reach out to our senior nursing class so that they may be at the very least aware, and at best culturally competent, to provide care to gay elderly. We will all grow old some day.

    Could you please tell me, regarding your comment, what state was that hospital in? Was it Connecticut or in the United States at all? It is one of the questions that came up in class. Please advise if you can. Thanking you in advance.
  7. by   cmo421
    Quote from NYsante
    I presented the topic of gay elderly in efforts to reach out to our senior nursing class so that they may be at the very least aware, and at best culturally competent, to provide care to gay elderly. We will all grow old some day.

    Could you please tell me, regarding your comment, what state was that hospital in? Was it Connecticut or in the United States at all? It is one of the questions that came up in class. Please advise if you can. Thanking you in advance.

    Who r u asking? If u mean the woman and her partner on the cruise in Florida? That happened in Miami last Feb ,I believe. If u look at the beginning of the thread there r some links u can follow to the article and her website!
  8. by   czyja
    Quote from Tweety
    However, removing homophobia from the pulpits would certainly be a good start.
    Absolutely. The pulpit is one of those institutions that manages to reflect and lead society at the same time.

    What has always struck me as odd is the weird obsession that many evangelical christians seem to have with homosexuality. Could the people yelling at you as you went to watch a movie think of no better way to express their faith than shout hurtful words at you? I mean, is there nobody in you community that might need a blanket, a hot meal, a conversation, or a hug? People shouting at film festivals give christians a bad image IMHO- they are good reason to join any religion but theirs. In a way it is more sad than anything - sad that their spiritual leaders are so empty that they lead their flocks to such useless nonsense.
  9. by   czyja
    Quote from NYsante
    I presented the topic of gay elderly in efforts to reach out to our senior nursing class so that they may be at the very least aware, and at best culturally competent, to provide care to gay elderly. We will all grow old some day.

    Could you please tell me, regarding your comment, what state was that hospital in? Was it Connecticut or in the United States at all? It is one of the questions that came up in class. Please advise if you can. Thanking you in advance.
    Good job. The article that spark woody's original post was in the NY Times some weeks ago. It looked at several LTC facilities across the country.
  10. by   fronkey bean
    Quote from czyja
    Absolutely. The pulpit is one of those institutions that manages to reflect and lead society at the same time.

    What has always struck me as odd is the weird obsession that many evangelical christians seem to have with homosexuality. Could the people yelling at you as you went to watch a movie think of no better way to express their faith than shout hurtful words at you? I mean, is there nobody in you community that might need a blanket, a hot meal, a conversation, or a hug? People shouting at film festivals give christians a bad image IMHO- they are good reason to join any religion but theirs. In a way it is more sad than anything - sad that their spiritual leaders are so empty that they lead their flocks to such useless nonsense.
    I think it stems from the belief that the rampant, in-your-face sexuality found in extremes of the gay and hetro communities is contrary to God's word ( fornication and adultry). Thay are a little louder about homosexuality b/c it is esier to point to as an obvious sin. Adultry and hetro sexual sin is closer to home so it is a little more uncomfortable to talk about.
  11. by   jstbg1s
    I don't know about all the nurses out there, but when I went through nursing school we were taught to see only the illness. We had cultural training to be respectful to ones culture, don't get me wrong. But, we were to see the illness and treat A PATIENT. No one should pass judgement on their patients nor should they assume the worst about someone. Even the drunk that keeps showing up at the ER. Its easy to call him a bum, but do you even know how he got there. Sexual orientation is no different than any other identifier. Its sad to see the ones that say gays are so bad are the ones that hold God's word as their witness and yet seem to be the most evil and hateful people.

    SO...I say to all nurses......treat your patients as you will have them treat you when you are in the hospital.
  12. by   Tweety
    Quote from czyja
    Absolutely. The pulpit is one of those institutions that manages to reflect and lead society at the same time.

    What has always struck me as odd is the weird obsession that many evangelical christians seem to have with homosexuality. Could the people yelling at you as you went to watch a movie think of no better way to express their faith than shout hurtful words at you? I mean, is there nobody in you community that might need a blanket, a hot meal, a conversation, or a hug? People shouting at film festivals give christians a bad image IMHO- they are good reason to join any religion but theirs. In a way it is more sad than anything - sad that their spiritual leaders are so empty that they lead their flocks to such useless nonsense.
    I agree. If I was Christian, I would be embarrassed by these people. They drove from GA down to harrass us, so at least the locals aren't that bad. Their obsession bothers me tremendously and I'm baffled.

    I would bet if a surveyor were to go house to house in my neighborhood and ask "what is the greatest threat to your family?" They would answer "my husband is an alcoholic, my child is on drugs, we fight about money often because there isn't enough, my daughter is in Iraq, my kid is on drugs, the crime in the neighborhood is going up, the property taxes are out of site, the hurricaine and flood insurance is breaking me, my mom needs to go to a nursing home."

    I would venture to say not one of them is going to say "the homosexuals down the block" (myslef, my neighbors, and two doors down are all gay househoolds on this street). It bafflems me that someone drives down from GA, with a bullhorn and signs and yells at me that I'm a threat. It baffles me that it's such a priority with the Pat Robertsons, etc. of the world when famlies are challenged by other real problems. Real problems that many of us homosexuals share, can relate to and would be united with Christians to help solve were we not outcasts.

    Sigh..............
    Last edit by Tweety on Oct 31, '07
  13. by   fronkey bean
    Quote from Tweety
    I agree. If I was Christian, I would be embarrassed by these people. They drove from GA down to harrass us, so at least the locals aren't that bad. Their obsession bothers me tremendously and I'm baffled.

    I would bet if a surveyor were to go house to house in my neighborhood and ask "what is the greatest threat to your family?" They would answer "my husband is an alcoholic, my child is on drugs, we fight about money often because there isn't enough, my daughter is in Iraq, my kid is on drugs, the crime in the neighborhood is going up, the property taxes are out of site, the hurricaine and flood insurance is breaking me, my mom needs to go to a nursing home."

    I would venture to say not one of them is going to say "the homosexuals down the block" (myslef, my neighbors, and two doors down are all gay househoolds on this street). It bafflems me that someone drives down from GA, with a bullhorn and signs and yells at me that I'm a threat. It baffles me that it's such a priority with the Pat Robertsons, etc. of the world when famlies are challenged by other real problems. Real problems that many of us homosexuals share, can relate to and would be united with Christians to help solve were we not outcasts.

    Sigh..............
    I sincerely hope (and I really believe) that the crowd w/ the bull horns and signs don't represent the "average" evangelical. I had not even heard of these protests and I live 1.5 hours from Atlanta. Also, Pat Robertson has done a couple of good things in his career, but no one I know takes him too seriously these days. I have never heard his name mentioned at my church.
    To be perfectly honest, most evangelical churches will view homosexuality as a sin. There are verses in the Bible that would seem to indicate that it is not viewed favorably by God and when I read those verses I can't say honestly that they arebeing misinterpreted. That being said, there is also a verse in the Bible that says "God hates divorce", and yet here I am a divorced woman who has stolen, lied and at times treated my body more like a chemical waste dump than a temple. I have no right to pass judgement on any other child of God, no matter what I believe.
    In a totally unrelated note, I find it a little odd that a group from GA drove to Florida when Atlanta is (according to a gay friend of mine) the San Francisco of the south. I guess they didn't want to stir up anything in their own back yard.

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