Gay Boomers and nursing attitudes - page 16

I read an interestiing article, in the NYT, today. Apparently the first wave of gay boomers have begun to hit our LTC, Assisted Living, home health agencies. And more and more of them are being... Read More

  1. by   zuzi
    Nurse is a human been and starting from here absolutely everything is variable.
    Nurses could be open mind and nurses could be really rigid in thinking, but first of all is to not forget: you choose to be nurse for everybody even for your worst enemy.
    I had in my past couple of scarred life experiences and I asked my self...."I would be able to take care of these people if they will need me?????" And believe me...YES I will, if will be happen (hope not) even if I know how much pain gave me one time .

    So all, what a gay can be so worst for you like a nurse to not treat him and help him?????? You are afraid that can influenced you...loooool...nop, most of them are very correct people and don't do it!

    Nobody ask you to share with him/her your personal believes. Nobody told you to be like them! Be your self that is all, so you can afraid of them!

    Just help him/her is your duty like nurse, that is all! And belive me or not you will surprised that couple of them (not all) could become trustfully good friends.
    I worked couple of weeks in my past in LGBT community and I had from there wonderful friends, couple of them keep in touch along of the years I meet also really bad people (but were are not bad people.....) and also who can tell that you are much good than them or if you didn't was in the same situations you didn't choose the same ?????
    Is only about people choices! Like a nurse you are there ONLY to help people not to change their believes, let people to be free and be happy yourself with your freedom. What can be much than wonderful? Everybody could be and stay happy! Is a big world!

    You don't need to be LGBT to understand them, you need to be HUMAN and NURSE to help EVERYBODY, doesn't matter from where it is or what is his/her sexual orientation or how poor is or what is his intellectual level or her English language level (looooooooool, I remember a joke about......looooooool). A nurse can take care and talk at the level of each of them and cry with them and feel the pain of them and cuddle each of them and help them.

    If you really cannot do it...is better to forget about to be nurse, nursing is not for people without compassion and with two faces!

    Looool all is my day off and writing I become to hipper...loooooool, need to go to pool to consume my anger or to take a class on anger management,loooooool.
    Have a nice day!

    i feel pretty
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loWrI1FneSM
  2. by   teeituptom
    Quote from fronkey bean
    "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" We are all judged as sinners by God who, in His mercy, offers forgiveness to all.






    Many people of faith believe that religious rules are not man made but "God-breathed". Since the opinions of everyone should be respected, we should respect their opinion too.





    I'm not sure what you are saying here. Do you think all nurses w/ a confessed ordiscovered predjudice should not be allowed to practice? BTW, that means your out (of a job I mean:spin Or are we supossed to ignore it and pretend we can't do anything about the problem? I believe it is possible for people to change how they think(in fact i am living proof). Forums such as this are a great way to confront our feelings about our differences. And, perhaps it is time for you to quit taking out on every alcoholic patient what was done to you by your mother. I too was raised by an alcoholic who continues to make my life miserable at times but that is not the fault of any patient,even the alcoholic ones. They need care and compassion as much as anyone and you may be harming your own self by denying that to them. After all you know it is the right thing to do to provide quality care to everyone, so by not doing so you are at constant war w/ your own principles.






    Unfortunately, there is also no protection for unmarried partners of any kind.




    Tweety, I agree w/ everything you say except that it is "preached from pulpits around the country". There are some pulpits that preach a message of intolerance but not as many as you think. The evangelical community does not hate the gay community, many dislike the rampant open sexuallity of both the gay and the hetrosexual community but they don't hate either.




    Just because it rhymes doesn't make it poetry.
    Hey Bean

    You taking on everyone, thought it was just me

    right it rhymes, it isnt poetic, just truthfull. What can you say to that
  3. by   teeituptom
    Quote from woody62
    My point is are you dealing w/ your dislike of alcoholics? B/c this whole thread is pointless if it does not lead to us becoming better nurses by dealing w/ our issues w/ other people.

    And I am saying that a good many nurses do not admit to their prejudices. And claim they are able to hide their dislike behind an attitude of professionalism. And as having been a patient who was once cared for by nurses who claimed to hide their dislike behind professionalism, I say it is bull.

    Woody
    We are all Human

    We are all predjudiced in whatever way we were raised.

    there is no one in the world prdjudice free, absolutely no one.

    But professionally we all hide behind a mask

    We wear a mask for our friends

    we wear a mask for our enemies

    we wear a mask for work

    we wear a mask for our family and loved one

    But Deep Deep Deep down we all have a mask that wear only for ourselves, the mask no one ever sees.
  4. by   fronkey bean
    Quote from woody62
    My point is are you dealing w/ your dislike of alcoholics? B/c this whole thread is pointless if it does not lead to us becoming better nurses by dealing w/ our issues w/ other people.

    And I am saying that a good many nurses do not admit to their prejudices. And claim they are able to hide their dislike behind an attitude of professionalism. And as having been a patient who was once cared for by nurses who claimed to hide their dislike behind professionalism, I say it is bull.

    Woody
    I agree, but is it any different from what you are doing? Is it ok not to like and refuse to treat alcoholics?
  5. by   fronkey bean
    Quote from teeituptom
    Hey Bean

    You taking on everyone, thought it was just me

    right it rhymes, it isnt poetic, just truthfull. What can you say to that
    Too feeble to take on anyone, Tom, just like to run my mouth and say what I think.
    P.S. Did he really betray us i.e. can you give a specific incidence of betrayal not just the fact that he is in charge of a war you don't agree w/, or is he just doing the job that he is ordered to do?
  6. by   cmo421
    Quote from teeituptom
    We are all Human

    We are all predjudiced in whatever way we were raised.

    there is no one in the world prdjudice free, absolutely no one.

    But professionally we all hide behind a mask

    We wear a mask for our friends

    we wear a mask for our enemies

    we wear a mask for work

    we wear a mask for our family and loved one

    But Deep Deep Deep down we all have a mask that wear only for ourselves, the mask no one ever sees.


    Maybe this is my problem, I have yet to learn to wear a mask. Maybe that mask protects one from feeling ,seeing and hearing .Maybe that mask is what hardens our professions and projects such anger and disillusion. Is that the mask I see when I am on the other end of the bed and feel such condesending attitudes? Hmmmm, how can I aquire such a mask? How can I learn to feel such power and control . How can I download the knowledge and insite these people seem to think they have? Then again, do I really want to?
  7. by   fronkey bean
    Someone once said (i'm sorry, i've forgotten who it was) that "If you take away every difference of race, religion, ethnicity, (and may I add sexual orientation) by noon we would think of a reason to hate someone". It sounded cynical to me at the time but now I'm pretty sure that whoever it was knew what they were talking about.
  8. by   teeituptom
    Quote from fronkey bean
    Too feeble to take on anyone, Tom, just like to run my mouth and say what I think.
    P.S. Did he really betray us i.e. can you give a specific incidence of betrayal not just the fact that he is in charge of a war you don't agree w/, or is he just doing the job that he is ordered to do?
    Too feeble, what ya going to do when you get my age hahaha, I aint feeble a bit


    Yes Betray us did betray us. Did you listen to his answers.
    How he tried to dodge the truths
    How he couldnt even give us good examples
    Did American soldiers along with others, keep dying and getting injured, yes
    He Betrayed Us, He sold Us Out. But he wasnt there for us. He was there to try and make Bushs efforts seem laudable. He was there for the Bushs, That was his sole function, so totally obvious.
  9. by   teeituptom
    Quote from fronkey bean
    Someone once said (i'm sorry, i've forgotten who it was) that "If you take away every difference of race, religion, ethnicity, (and may I add sexual orientation) by noon we would think of a reason to hate someone". It sounded cynical to me at the time but now I'm pretty sure that whoever it was knew what they were talking about.
    But in the quote, Hate is just another word for FEAR.
  10. by   fronkey bean
    Quote from teeituptom
    Too feeble, what ya going to do when you get my age hahaha, I aint feeble a bit


    Yes Betray us did betray us. Did you listen to his answers.
    How he tried to dodge the truths
    How he couldnt even give us good examples
    Did American soldiers along with others, keep dying and getting injured, yes
    He Betrayed Us, He sold Us Out. But he wasnt there for us. He was there to try and make Bushs efforts seem laudable. He was there for the Bushs, That was his sole function, so totally obvious.
    Specific example of how he betrayed us please. I don't think the congress would have let him walk away if he had been found guilty of some actual treason (betrayal) of the American people. Just because you find his carrying out of his duty distasteful does not make it a betrayal. You didn't send him over there w/ his orders
  11. by   fronkey bean
    Quote from teeituptom
    But in the quote, Hate is just another word for FEAR.
    Too true.
  12. by   Tweety
    fronkey bean said: "Tweety, I agree w/ everything you say except that it is "preached from pulpits around the country". There are some pulpits that preach a message of intolerance but not as many as you think. The evangelical community does not hate the gay community, many dislike the rampant open sexuallity of both the gay and the hetrosexual community but they don't hate either."

    I can certainly appreciate that not every pulpit is homophobic and didn't mean to imply that it was. But there are plenty of homophobic myths being preached from certain pulpits (not all, because as a former Christian, I've been to several gay-affirming churches). I don't hold any grudges or judge all Christians as being homophobic, but lets not sugar coat the facts either. Did you read the above posts before they were deleted....case in point.
  13. by   czyja
    Quote from Tweety
    I don't hold any grudges or judge all Christians as being homophobic, but lets not sugar coat the facts either.
    An excellent although scholarly and somewhat dry read on this topic is the late John Boswell's "Christianity, Homosexuality, and Social Tolerance." His thesis might be loosely paraphrased as homophobia did not arise from nor is it intrinsically linked to Christian teaching. Rather, homophobia appears to arise from rural secular forces in society and tends to rise and fall in an opposite fashion from urban society. (ie the more urban a society the less homophobic).

    Sadly some churches have latched on to homosexuality as a proxy for all they find wrong in an increasing modern and urban world. I see their homophobia as the death throws of their errant theology.

    I offer the above not in defense of Christianity but rather as a means of understanding homophobia. Even if every pulpit in this country endorsed gay marriage tomorrow morning homophobia will still be with us.

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