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No. 370
Old Jul 06, 2009, 12:37 AM

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Bottom line is, people don't care anymore. And it's more fun to poke someone with a stick and watch them fail than it is to hold out a hand to help people up.

As to the original post, people like that usually need to fall off of the ivory tower before they acquire any good sense. Managment will do with her what they do with all others like her; they will let her get by with it or they will give her a desk job. As it is everywhere you go: those that can, do. And those that can't, manage.
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No. 371
from cxg174
Old Jul 06, 2009, 05:08 AM

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Excuse me, but in my experience only the best rise into management. Unfortunately they often were great nurses and not necessarily good managers. The is is result of "The Peter Principle" which explains that "In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence."
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No. 372
from mama_d
Old Jul 06, 2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cxg174 View Post
Excuse me, but in my experience only the best rise into management. Unfortunately they often were great nurses and not necessarily good managers. The is is result of "The Peter Principle" which explains that "In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence."
Lordy, I wish that was the case where I'm at. The majority of those who were great at management decided to get the heck out and go back to floor nursing after a few years. Seems like all we have left are those who put the bottom line before the patients and don't care how incompetent staff is as long as there's a body to count.
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No. 373
Old Jul 06, 2009, 02:45 PM

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My last clinical instructor rode my butt and made my clinicals hell... and I know why:
She spotted my weaknesses. I was unable to concentrate or retain information. I couldn't talk without stuttering. My hands would shake and I was flat-out clueless what the hell was going on.
I had huge life-altering changes (absolutely devastating to me) occurring in my life and the stress was overwhelming. I went from being an A student to one that was hanging on for dear life.
I barely kept myself together for school.
I never told my instructor (not her business nor concern) and let her have her go at me. THEN the info seemed to stick. I guess it was like a kick in the butt.
I'm a proud woman and I do not allow myself to be abused... but I know this: I needed to get over it, pull myself together for clinical and do what I had to do. I could kill somebody if I didn't get it together.
I am not proud to admit this.
My point is, that in my most ashamed moments, I caught myself wanting to blame the instructor. I never actually did, though (though I still wish her a particularly nasty demise... lol). It was my own fault and I was raised to not complain if I wasn't going to do what I had to do to make things better.
I don't feel shame in admitting failure if I tried my darn best, but it kills me to admit it if it's all my own dang fault. I'm sure this is a common feeling to those who deny their blame in their failure.
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No. 374
from cxg174
Old Jul 06, 2009, 06:32 PM

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Even if they know what is going on with you it will not help. People who do this to others do not care why you are the way you are. They do not care if your Dad, Mom, child, whoever is dying. They do not care if your ex is stalking you. They do not care if you are homeless and living out of a box under a bridge. People like that only sense your weakness- and like vicious dogs they attack. Unfortunately we are only human. We all have our limits. Do not look back with regret. Move forward and put it behind you. Hope your life is better now. Maybe one day you will have the pleasure of taking care of that old witch. Either way, she will get a life lesson for her treatment of you. I am a firm believer in Karma.
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No. 375
Old Jul 06, 2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cxg174 View Post
Even if they know what is going on with you it will not help. People who do this to others do not care why you are the way you are. They do not care if your Dad, Mom, child, whoever is dying. They do not care if your ex is stalking you. They do not care if you are homeless and living out of a box under a bridge. People like that only sense your weakness- and like vicious dogs they attack. Unfortunately we are only human. We all have our limits. Do not look back with regret. Move forward and put it behind you. Hope your life is better now. Maybe one day you will have the pleasure of taking care of that old witch. Either way, she will get a life lesson for her treatment of you. I am a firm believer in Karma.

I passed that clinical by the skin of my teeth!!!!
But I had to take responsibility and address my weaknesses and DO something to prevent total failure.
But admitting I was screwing up and it was going to be MY fault because I couldn't pull myself together was humiliating for me.
It's just not easy to do.
I'm not making excuses for those who "don't get it", but I believe they actually DO "get it" and it's a hard thing to do to admit failure that you could have prevented.
I believe much of the denial is face-saving.
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No. 376
from Effie, RN
Old Jul 07, 2009, 09:36 AM

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re: FMLA, it applies to illness or providing care for an immediate family member and sister/brother in law would qualify. There are some conditions, i.e.: FT employment for one year, but after that it's pretty open and if you've qualified you have 12 weeks to take in any increments you need to...one day at a time or weeks at a time. For an employer not to offer this option to an employee in this situation is not just immoral it is against federal law and prosecutable!
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No. 377
from triquee
Old Jul 25, 2009, 11:15 AM

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Lateral violence and workplace bullying are alive and well in nursing.

There are plenty of new grads who don't know their tails from a hole in the wall.

Making an example of the one new grad who couldn't be taught (allegedly) does nothing to excuse lateral violence and/or workplace bullying.

Just smoke and mirrors.
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No. 378
Old Jul 25, 2009, 12:09 PM

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I've seen many a' post from Ruby Vee and know that she would not commit lateral violence on anyone in her workplace, much less a new grad. We all know that at times there are those who are just not getting it, then blame others or situations for that. Sometimes a new area or different facility or even a different career is what is needed. This isn't found in just nursing, it's every job under the spectrum.
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No. 379
from triquee
Old Jul 25, 2009, 12:26 PM
Updated Jul 25, 2009 at 12:39 PM by triquee

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Originally Posted by MedSurgeMess View Post
I've seen many a' post from Ruby Vee and know that she would not commit lateral violence on anyone in her workplace, much less a new grad. We all know that at times there are those who are just not getting it, then blame others or situations for that. Sometimes a new area or different facility or even a different career is what is needed. This isn't found in just nursing, it's every job under the spectrum.
I don't know what the folks here on allnurses do in their personal lives. I only read what they write here on the boards. From some, I consistently read posts in fervent defense (sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly) of workplace violence and it presents a pattern. The pattern may or may not exist in life, but it certainly exists in text.

While I agree that it exists in other professions, I don't believe that that existence excuses the behaviors. Whenever I read that, it kind of makes me think of a teenager who's obviously done something wrong telling his/her parents, "Well, the Anderson kids do it!!!"

Even if this were allpostalworkers or alllawyers or allemployees, I think it would still be worthwhile to discuss the eradication of workplace violence.
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