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| No. 320 |
Mar 29, 2009, 10:38 PM
Re: "Fired for NO Reason" Originally Posted by mama_d We had a new grad on one of our tele floors quit recently "Before this place makes me lose my license." Okay, there are some places that are that bad. But our facility is not one of them.
In ONE WEEK, she managed to:
Give meds to the wrong patient on at least three different ocassions
Leave blood transfusing as the patient spiked a temp from 97.8 to 102.2
Attempt to start an IV into a dialysis fistula (and then insist that "once they don't work anymore, they need to take them out somehow so we can use those veins")
Not recognize sustained V-tach; then, when it was pointed out to her, had no idea what to do about it, didn't even go to check on the patient
Left a femoral sheath open so that the patient bled all over the freaking place
Draw a PTT on a pt on a heparin gtt from the IV access that the heparin was infusing into, thus destroying the access on an impossible stick and getting a PTT result of >200, so she shut off the gtt (this was on a patient with new positive Troponin I's)
Push undiluted Lopressor over about five seconds on the above patient, without checking the BP/HR first, resulting in a drastic and sudden bradycardia into the 20's
Sure, it's our facility's fault that you got your license out of a Cracker Jack box. Seriously, I have little patience for nurses who fall into this category...she knew it all, and would yell at you if you tried to help her, then disappear as you fixed the screw ups she caused.
So I know exactly what Ruby is talking about. There are many sad points to this... One, she should have been let go. I'm sorry, I may get flamed for this, but the learning curve in nursing is steep for a reason; people's lives are in our hands. If you can't hack it after a reasonable amount of time, you should be out. Two, her lack of skills and knowledge placed an unfair burden on the rest of us. Three, she'll probably never figure out just why she didn't succeed, since nothing is ever her fault, and she'll be dealing with traipsing from job to job until she does lose her license...that can't be a fun life. And most importantly, how many people will she seriously harm or even kill before it gets to that point?
I can look back and see some pretty stupid stuff that I've done over the years, but never anything of that caliber.
It is hard when you're faced with criticism, I'll allow that. I had a HORRIBLE yearly eval a few years ago. Prior to that one, I had always gotten "exceeds expectations". That year, I barely scored high enough to get my raise. I went home, fumed, cursed, cried, and yelled about it. The next shift I worked, I pulled a few of the people whose opinions I trust aside, told them that I had some questions that I wanted honest answers to, and showed them my eval. Mostly, the response that I got was "What did you do to tick her off so much?". But there were a few areas that I thought I was doing fine in that my co-workers told me I was doing adequately, but could do better. At first I was a little hurt, but after a few days of reflection I realized that maybe I could improve. It took a level of maturity that I don't think I had when I was 22 and a new grad.
To those who would say that this poster's former co-worker needs "better preceptorship/instruction/nurturing/supervision/guidance/remediation" or whatever- I say "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear."
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Mar 29, 2009, 10:45 PM
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Mar 29, 2009 at 10:58 PM by TurnLeftSide
Re: "Fired for NO Reason" Originally Posted by Valerie Salva To those who would say that this poster's former co-worker needs "better preceptorship/instruction/nurturing/supervision/guidance/remediation" or whatever- I say "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear."
Amen. I'm getting sick of hearing "Oh, they need better supervision,remediation"...If someone needs to be remediated THREE TIMES for giving meds to the wrong patient THREE TIMES, sorry, no more remediation, it's time to go..After they kill someone, are people gonna keep making excuses for these peoples' incompetence? Honestly, how many times do you have to say STOP GIVING MEDS TO THE WRONG PATIENT.     :b anghead:
Gees, its basic nursing 101, when you give meds to the patient, you make sure before giving the meds, you go through the five rights. Is it really that hard?
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Mar 30, 2009, 10:23 AM
Re: "Fired for NO Reason" Originally Posted by TurnLeftSide Amen. I'm getting sick of hearing "Oh, they need better supervision,remediation"...If someone needs to be remediated THREE TIMES for giving meds to the wrong patient THREE TIMES, sorry, no more remediation, it's time to go..After they kill someone, are people gonna keep making excuses for these peoples' incompetence? Honestly, how many times do you have to say STOP GIVING MEDS TO THE WRONG PATIENT.     :b anghead:
Gees, its basic nursing 101, when you give meds to the patient, you make sure before giving the meds, you go through the five rights. Is it really that hard?
AMEN AMEN AMEN
nothing more.....
| | No. 323 |
Mar 30, 2009, 10:26 AM
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Mar 30, 2009 at 10:34 AM by samadams8
Re: "Fired for NO Reason"
OK, but in total reality--that is forgoing all hyperbole, how many nurses are actually screwing up meds three times in a row--and what exactly were the kinds of "screw ups???" Most nurses, even new nurses, are not so inclined to be idiotic like that. (By the way, they've introduced more than five rights now--like other patient identifiers and even metabolic reactions in pts.)
The teaching approach and environment and type of "precepting" needs to be intensely evaluated if you really want to show commitment to fellow nurses and due diligence on orientation.
Furthermore, certain people should not orient or "precept," and generally those that have had no comprehensive study in teaching adult learners should be liimited in their "precepting."
People are very different. They are often highly nervous and intimidated on orientation, even when they know they have what it takes. It is stressful for the person that "precepts," but it is three times more stressful for the person being "precepted."
I have seen way too many impatient, highly hypercritical nurses functioning as "preceptors." I say stop blaming the people before you analyze the process. It's too easy to just relegate people as idiots. Another function of modern nursing. sigh.
And this only emphasis my points about consistency and sytematic, more objective and well-documented progress on a weekly basis through the process. The trouble is, often no one, including NMs or nurse educators want to make the necessary investment in time. It's a huge mistake.
What happens is that people just get "tossed" without anything really objective in terms of evaluation over time. If they make mistakes, there is no evaluation for remediation. I guarantee you would never tell your kid, "Tough crap. You missed this type of question three times on your Algebra exam. You're an idiot. Live with the poor grade and not understanding what you are doing wrong--as well as what you are doing right."
Listen, if you just don't have the patience and commitment to guiding, teaching, and coaching other nurses, you should not be
1. a preceptor
2. a nurse educator, and/or
3. a nurse manager for that matter.
It's time hospitals lookclosely at their systems of education for new hires and objectively look through cause analyses.
Yes, some folks should not be nurses--or perhaps at the least should not work in certain areas. Competence wise, these folks are very few and far between. It doesn't take Einstein genuis to function effectively as a nurse--or a physician for that matter.
It's more an issue of personality many times and a total lack of understanding--and the fact that institutions do not want to grow and evaluate their nursing orientation programs--on a larger and also individual nurse scale. It's too time consuming. They'd just as soon kick newcomers to the curb, and like disposable diapers, put on a "new" one." Another very sad function of modern nursing.
| | No. 325 |
Mar 30, 2009, 10:39 AM
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Mar 30, 2009 at 10:53 AM by samadams8
Re: "Fired for NO Reason"
Emphasis: many nurses new to an institution or new grads are not anymore sow's ears than anyone else. People quickly forget. You did not become the nurse you are today in a vacuum. I say the pool of nurse "idiots" and "incompetents" is a lot smaller than some want to admit. Look at the the processes--do cause analyses. If these are honest and objective, you will find that the pool of "total nurse incompetents" is more miniscule than is stated here.
Teaching in any form is always a give and take process. And it has to be one of openness and individual acceptance not undue intimidation. The very process of starting new somewhere is quite intimidating.
| | No. 326 |
Mar 30, 2009, 11:04 AM
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Mar 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM by samadams8
Re: "Fired for NO Reason" Originally Posted by TurnLeftSide I understand what it's like being nervous going through orientation. But that does not excuse a nurse from making medication errors. Why didn't she make check the patient's wristband to the MAR before giving meds? I find it inexcusable. I've given meds to the wrong patient once and I was scared silly when I realized what I had done. I was busy and didn't check the MAR to the patient's wristband. I owned up to my mistake, called the doc, and filled out an incident report. But giving meds to the wrong patient three times?? Three times?
Right, and that has to be evaluated on an individual basis. We were not there with this person and his/her experiences. We don't know all sides of it.
Most nurses actually want to be careful practitioners--at least those I've worked with over the last 20 years. And most have what it takes to be just that.
Again, we have to move away from evaluations that are based on "he said, she said." We have to look objectively at cause on ALL SIDES. Let's forget getting mired in battles of who are the idiot nurses and who are not; that's simply a waste of time, not effective, and it's not realistic.
Subjective responses aside, we must look as objectively as possible at all the dynamics.
Again I say most people aren't village idiots. But being new requires a lot of guidance, support, balanced direction, etc. On every step of the orientation, what was documented and what plan of actions was put in place to help remediate, correct, or further evaluate the problem???? See, we don't know all the details, and we will never know all the details.
Same things with so many nurses pushed aside for non-objective reasons. Many don't realize that for a good number of nurses, it really isn't about issues of safety, etc. Today, it really is more about the softskills and knowing how to fit in. Right or wrong, that is the reality. Every nurse and every doc w/ enough experience makes mistakes. We could encourage openness to taking ownership of mistakes if the environment wasn't so cut throat. Sort of what is hoping to be done with reporting medical errors in general nowadays.
Very few nurses are grossly incompetent or are Charles Cullins. We have to look at the system, and stop denying that there is a problem. That's how growth occurs. Just as the newer nurse to the institution (as well as all nurses) should openly admit errors in order to mitigate losses, make corrections, and learn from them, so should hospitals and those involved in orientation and precepting look to correct system and process problems.
Nursing needs to stop playing blame games with individuals and look to overall causes and then treat the causes.
That's what truly successful leaders, organizations, and professions do.
| | No. 327 |
Mar 30, 2009, 01:40 PM
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Mar 30, 2009 at 01:41 PM by lamazeteacher
Re: "Fired for NO Reason"
Thread Monitor:
Do you think it's time for a new thread, titled, "Fired for Good Reason"? The past few pages deal with a seemingly hopeless new nurse who needs to repeat her medications /pharmacology and IV courses (or whatever they're called today). Granted there could have been extenuating circumstances, and a heart-heart talk and observation with the clinical advanced practise nurse for the area where she/he worked/is working.
We do need to look at the paper trail, especially in "at will" states, that needs to be completed before it's "bye-bye".
| | No. 328 |
Mar 30, 2009, 02:44 PM
Re: "Fired for NO Reason"
We all know that most new nurses are competent and dilligent.
This thread is not about them- it's about those who aren't.
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