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No. 20
from eriksoln
Old Feb 06, 2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Valerie Salva View Post
I work with a young tech right now, and our employer is paying her way through nursing school. This girl is not going to be a good nurse, and I hope I never have to work with her if she does become a nurse.

When I first started, she and others told me stories of how hard the unit mgr was on her, and I felt bad for her. I went out of my way to be nice.
Although the mgr has been very inappropriate w/ her anger at this girl, I now understand it.

She is just plain lazy. She has to be told over and over again to do her duties. Then, each new day, it is somehow all gone from her head, and she has to be told again.
She was taking extra long breaks. I now require her to come tell me before she goes to break so I can moniter the time.
Employees have to punch out if they leave the building at break, and she has to be told this each time. If I tell her today, she will leave without punching out tomorrow.
She is like a two year old who has to be told over and over again each day what to do and what not to do.
She can often be found texting or IMing on the net when her co-workers are hard at work.
However, when asked to do anything extra she will whine like a little kid "It's not fair!"
Dealing with this girl is wearing me down- she's worse than having an extra pt.

Finally, I had to talk to the hated boss about her. I didn't want to do it. I really resent having to be put in the position to do so- I don't like the boss either, and I try to avoid her when I can.

I know that now that I've spoken to the dreaded boss about her, this girl will see me as the bad guy- it will be all my fault.
She totally will not get it that she has any responsibility for anything.

If this girl would just be an adult, it would save everyone a lot of time and trouble.
Dont get me wrong, I do think an important part of being a preceptor is knowing when to throw in the towel on someone who just isnt going to improve. There is a weeding out process that has to take place. If someone is going to be dangerous (to pts health or to the units moral due to laziness) then they should not be hired post probationary period.

I doubt the person you are describing would benefit from constructive criticism. Their goal was not to be a "good nuse" as opposed to just a nurse.
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No. 21
Old Feb 06, 2009, 07:29 PM
Updated Mar 17, 2009 at 01:33 AM by TurnLeftSide

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No. 22
from eriksoln
Old Feb 06, 2009, 07:35 PM

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Gee, we need the OP back again.

You know, it is an important detail about the coumadin.

If its a literal example, somthing the GN actually did.....eh, she does not fall into the category of people that can be helped along by the right direction.

Now, if it was just OPs way of getting a point across, not meant to be taken literally.......maybe she did.
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No. 23
from leslie :-D
Old Feb 06, 2009, 07:37 PM

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those of us who know ruby, know she was sharing an actual story.

leslie
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No. 24
from Scrubby
Old Feb 06, 2009, 08:14 PM

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I think Eriksoln makes a fair point about how preceptors can sometimes not do the right thing by new grads.

Yes a lot of new nurses/staff cannot handle negative feedback, see the areas they need to improve upon and think that it's everyone elses fault. You get that everywhere in life, some people are never wrong, the world is against them. In my grad year we had a girl who couldn't care less about anyone, didn't want to do nursing anyway but had to because she couldn't get into accounting.

But it's important than when a new grad needs to improve that they are supported and given constructive criticism. Preceptors need to remember how overwhelming it was being new to nursing and to show empathy. If someone lacks critical thinking skills then of course they need to be told but as a preceptor you also need to be able to show them HOW they can improve in this area and be very careful how you approach the issue. Remember you may be dealing with someone who has a very steep learning curve, they may feel hopeless enough already, they may not have much life experience so it's best not to kick someone when they are down.
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No. 25
Old Feb 06, 2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TraumaNurse07 View Post
Speaking of throwing in the towel, the crazy nurse I work with that's already alienating staff has had FIVE preceptors, that should have been a HUGE indicator right there. Yet, they keep her. I don't think she will last.
I was given six preceptors in two weeks. And then given poop when I couldn't find my butt in the dark with a map and a flashlight.

There are three sides to every story: yours, mine, and the truth.
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No. 26
from Beerim
Old Feb 06, 2009, 08:30 PM

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It doesn't matter how long a person has been a nurse, there are some people who are just not teachers. I have seen excellent nurses who can not precept. There are some new nurses who are lost on the job and on the other there are some preceptors who forgot that they did not learn everything that know today in nursing school. Sometimes the outcome of the GN depends on the preceptor. This new nurse might not have the slightest clue of what went wrong because no one took the time out to show her and tell her what she was doing wrong..... I am not saying that is what happen as I was not there.....I have seen this happen on several occasion where a new nurse will make mistake and most of the experience nurses will just talk about her behind her back, bad mouth her and ridicule her but no one will correct her and if you try to have sympathy on her and try to take over her training then they try to bad mouth you also. All I am saying is that we all need to remember where we are coming from and where we are going......And also none of us was born a nurse...... we all had to learn how to be a nurse............
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No. 27
from leslie :-D
Old Feb 06, 2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SuesquatchRN View Post
I was given six preceptors in two weeks. And then given poop when I couldn't find my butt in the dark with a map and a flashlight.

There are three sides to every story: yours, mine, and the truth.
Originally Posted by Beerim View Post
It doesn't matter how long a person has been a nurse, there are some people who are just not teachers. I have seen excellent nurses who can not precept. There are some new nurses who are lost on the job and on the other there are some preceptors who forgot that they did not learn everything that know today in nursing school. Sometimes the outcome of the GN depends on the preceptor. This new nurse might not have the slightest clue of what went wrong because no one took the time out to show her and tell her what she was doing wrong..... I am not saying that is what happen as I was not there.....I have seen this happen on several occasion where a new nurse will make mistake and most of the experience nurses will just talk about her behind her back, bad mouth her and ridicule her but no one will correct her and if you try to have sympathy on her and try to take over her training then they try to bad mouth you also. All I am saying is that we all need to remember where we are coming from and where we are going......And also none of us was born a nurse...... we all had to learn how to be a nurse............
...which does bring up a point:
the self-fulfilling prophecy, that we tend to become what others expect of us.
and so, if we're treated like we're failures, that is what we inevitably become.
not always.
but clearly it happens, as nsg students and new grads (specific to our profession, although it happens in all areas of life).

leslie
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No. 28
from Beerim
Old Feb 06, 2009, 08:42 PM

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I think you are a little too aggressive. This is not personal people are just voicing their opinions..... No offense but please take it down notch.
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No. 29
Old Feb 06, 2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Beerim View Post
I think you are a little too aggressive. This is not personal people are just voicing their opinions..... No offense but please take it down notch.
Beerim, respectfully, I think that you are misinterpreting Earle's remarks. She was supporting and expanding on what you said.

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