Female nurses earn less than male nurses - page 7

pay: the gender gap a woman's work is never done. though you might not know it to look at her paycheck. according to u.s. census bureau statistics, women make on average 25 percent less than... Read More

  1. by   NP2BE
    Quote from Cherish
    I am not giving an opinion, and really don't feel as passionate about the issue as you are have posted from your REPLYs to everyone. I think everyone else is really not stating more or less there OPINION but REALITY. You are stating your OPINION, which is great, but if you look at the WHOLE picture, you will see that in REALITY society is not willing comforting the stay at home dad. NOW my OPINION would be I don't care if your a stay at home, mom, dad, dog, or cat, but that you take care of your family and finances, and that you enjoy life. THAT is what matters (but thats my OPINION; Society sees it another way and that would be the Reality of it). LOL....
    THIS WILL BE MY LAST POST SINCE I DON'T WANT A DEBATE BECAUSE IT REALLY ISN'T THAT SERIOUS. SERIOUS WOULD BE THAT CHIMPANZEE's ARE ABOUT TO BECOME EXTINCT IN 50 YRS AND SO ARE a TYPE OF KILLER WHALES IN ALASKA, and BELUGA WHALEs. OR THAT THE EARTH WAS ABOUT TO FLY IN THE SUN.

    Cherish, thanks for seeing my point, and communicating it more effectively than I did. My opinon is, I don't care who stays at home and does what, but like you said, the reality is, Society has never and is a long way from accepting a man who wants nothing more than to be a housewife
  2. by   Tweety
    Quote from NP2BE
    Cherish, thanks for seeing my point, and communicating it more effectively than I did. My opinon is, I don't care who stays at home and does what, but like you said, the reality is, Society has never and is a long way from accepting a man who wants nothing more than to be a housewife

    I think you and Deb might have been talking about two different things. You were talking reality, she was talking how it should be, or even how it might be becoming.

    I think society is more accepting of a man who chooses to be a stay at home dad. I still think it's rare to find someone whose only ambition is to be a stay at home dad, and it's also becoming increasingly rare for females to want only this for themselves.
  3. by   Hodge
    Guys need to make more so we can afford to take you out on all those expensive dates!!
  4. by   Tweety
    Quote from Dayray
    I think the bigger obstacle to this would be the pre-programming of the man himself. I have had friends and relatives that were stay at home dads for a time and they had a real hard time with it. Not that they didn't like being with their kids but they felt like they were getting a free ride and needed encouragement that they were making a contribution to the family.

    Agree, when I was growing up, granted I'm ancient, it was the males duty to be the provider. It was the ultimate failure not to be able to provide for your wife and kids. That's still a bit ingrained in our pysche don't you think?
  5. by   nursemike
    The "breadwinner" issue is, and should be, irrelevent to payscales. As the "catfoodwinner" of my family, I don't feel less entitled to my wages than my co-workers who are breeders. I'm still not convinced nursing discriminates against women, though. Society,yes--but even then, probably not to the extent perceived.
    To the extent, if any, that women make wages less than their top priority, they have no reason to complain if others who do make wages their top--or at least higher--
    priority make more money.
    All I really mean to say is that these raw comparisons often seem to ignore confounds which might disprove, or at least mitigate, the conclusion, and we shouldn't be hasty to buy into them. Granted, I have my own agenda--I resent the implication that being a man gives me an unfair advantage, even in nursing. But I also believe it serves women poorly to accept the assumption that they have to be victims, because society often does hand you what you expect. If you walk into an interview expecting less than a man makes, you're well on the way to defeating yourself.
    That said, where some of the anecdotes cited in this thread actually have occurred, I think it would be entirely appropriate to raise as much fuss as necessary to correct them. Organizing unions is one approach. Filing suits in Federal Court is another. In today's market, where nurses are in high demand, telling your employer to get stuffed is also a viable option--though admittedly not always an attractive one (I would think twice about commuting two hours a day to make a point with my local hospital).
    Just for the record, I consider myself a Mary Wallstonecraft feminist--I like independant women who do for themselves and I think everyone should have an opportunity to do so. As noted by others, some women have to, but even if it's by choice, that's a perfectly resonable and valid choice. Nor did I mean to suggest that putting income lower on one's list of priorities was wrong or unwise. For me, it's a very sensible choice, and I'm sure it is for many others, too. And, of course, there are undoubtedly many women who are more career-driven than I'll ever be, and if that works for them, good for them.
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    roflmao hodge!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  7. by   SmilingBluEyes
    i like how you think, nursemike!
  8. by   NP2BE
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    i like how you think, nursemike!
    OMG< I just realized, you are an ANTI-spearsite ( based on your signature), I suppose you hate dentists too!
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    rofl I sure hate dentistry, but not all dentists. I was very traumatized by a few MEAN and dangerous dentists in my youth.

    but...... I found a GREAT dentist who is like a kid who never grew up and is SO GENTLE and KIND. So he restored my dental health and faith in dentistry, for now anyhow! rofl

    why do you ask? heheheh
  10. by   NP2BE
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    rofl I sure hate dentistry, but not all dentists. I was very traumatized by a few MEAN and dangerous dentists in my youth.

    but...... I found a GREAT dentist who is like a kid who never grew up and is SO GENTLE and KIND. So he restored my dental health and faith in dentistry, for now anyhow! rofl

    why do you ask? heheheh
    Its a seinfeld episode, Jerry was accused of being an anti-dentite. It was quite funny
  11. by   SmilingBluEyes
    oh ok duh. i never have watched seinfeld. Can you believe that?
  12. by   nursemike
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    i like how you think, nursemike!
    There is a really cute doctor where I work, though. She's married, but in her bio it said he was a rock-climber, so that's almost single, right? I wonder if he has insurance...
  13. by   nursemike
    Short, fat, balding, middle-aged trophy husband available. Will consider relocating. Cat lovers only, please.

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