Female nurses earn less than male nurses - page 3

pay: the gender gap a woman's work is never done. though you might not know it to look at her paycheck. according to u.s. census bureau statistics, women make on average 25 percent less than... Read More

  1. by   Dayray
    Quote from barefootlady
    In my many years of nursing I have worked with a few good male nurses, ones I would share a shift with anytime, anyplace, anyhow. But, in general, I have worked with male nurses who just did not do their work, used the flirty, smiling, brown-nosing attitude to get ahead, and then when the job was too much for them tried to con some poor female into "giving me a hand with this."
    I heard ,just this weekend ,that one guy in particular had finally been called on the carpet by an older, experienced, drill sargent-type nurse, from what I hear she refuses to let him back in her department, will come in and cover herself, but he is never to come back. Seems like he just did not get around to giving that second unit of blood, HGB was only 7.1, so no rush, let the good old day shift RN,female ofcourse, do it. When I worked with this guy and NONE of the 06:00am meds or fingersticks were done and I complained, I was told he was managing other problems, even when I showed a pattern, so I am glad someone with clout got his butt.P.S. the other problems were computer games with the ER male nurse.
    Bah!

    You know, this kind of stuff erks me! if this type of junk were written about any other collective group of people it would be erased and the poster baned.

    Why is it Okay to bash men and blame the whole gender for the actions of a few bad apples?

    How would you feel if someone came here saying these same things about women? or what if they said the same things and attributed peoples actions to their race or religion?

    Paint a different picture? sure it does but yet it's okay for this lady say disparaging things about a whole gender because she has known a few bad ones.

    It's really silly if you think about it, How many lazy nurses have we all seen? Gender hasn't had much to do with it from what I've seen they come in all shapes and sizes.

    This post seems colored by a some hang ups that originated outside of nursing and have been carried over into a place where they don't belong.

    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH ! :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire
  2. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from Dayray
    Bah!

    You know, this kind of stuff erks me! if this type of junk were written about any other collective group of people it would be erased and the poster baned.

    Why is it Okay to bash men and blame the whole gender for the actions of a few bad apples?

    How would you feel if someone came here saying these same things about women? or what if they said the same things and attributed peoples actions to their race or religion?

    Paint a different picture? sure it does but yet it's okay for this lady say disparaging things about a whole gender because she has known a few bad ones.

    It's really silly if you think about it, How many lazy nurses have we all seen? Gender hasn't had much to do with it from what I've seen they come in all shapes and sizes.

    This post seems colored by a some hang ups that originated outside of nursing and have been carried over into a place where they don't belong.

    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH ! :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire
    i totally agree with you dayray. there's just no place for generalized stereotypes.
  3. by   nursemike
    Quote from Dayray
    Bah!

    You know, this kind of stuff erks me! if this type of junk were written about any other collective group of people it would be erased and the poster baned.

    Why is it Okay to bash men and blame the whole gender for the actions of a few bad apples?

    How would you feel if someone came here saying these same things about women? or what if they said the same things and attributed peoples actions to their race or religion?

    Paint a different picture? sure it does but yet it's okay for this lady say disparaging things about a whole gender because she has known a few bad ones.

    It's really silly if you think about it, How many lazy nurses have we all seen? Gender hasn't had much to do with it from what I've seen they come in all shapes and sizes.

    This post seems colored by a some hang ups that originated outside of nursing and have been carried over into a place where they don't belong.

    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH ! :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire
    Well, you have to bear in mind, she is from West Virginia...oh, wait--that would be stereotyping. Oh, right, I'm from West Virginia, too! Crap, and I'm not wearing shoes, at the moment!
    See, I don't think by "generally" she meant always or even most of the time. I'm pretty sure she just meant some men are lazy idiots, and some aren't. It just came out wrong--sort of like our beloved senior senator on race relations. Notice that she did say "Take each Male as he Comes," which is the opposite of generalizing. But I must admit, if she weren't from West Virginia, I would agree with you.
    Go, Falcons, yea team!
  4. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from nursemike?
    "Take each Male as he Comes," which is the opposite of generalizing.
    whoops, overlooked that part. but still, i take that philosophy with each nurse i meet, male or female.


    leslie
  5. by   reddgott
    "Because of the view people have of men in nursing many feel that they must show that they do belong in nursing. I've noticed that allot of guys tend to go overboard to show that they "know their stuff".
    .

    "I watch peoples reactions when I tell them I'm a nurse and I don't get the same reaction that my friends do. Some openly laugh and say "Isn't that a girls job?" others look surprised and change the subject and many many times the next question they ask is "do you have children?" which is code for "are you gay?" Another aspect of this is constantly having to answer the "so why did you go into nursing" question that I get when ever I meet a new nurse, they don't ask other women."

    This is the Gospel Truth, right on the money. :hatparty:
  6. by   Havin' A Party!
    Quote from teeituptom
    Damn, he was stupid
    Yeah, maybe like a fox.

    Could he have parlayed his experience to an even higher-paying spot?
  7. by   Havin' A Party!
    Quote from Dayray
    ... You know, this kind of stuff erks me! if this type of junk were written about any other collective group of people it would be erased and the poster baned...
    Doesn't surprise me the least bit. :stone

    Lots of prejudices / closed-mindedness here. Not everyone, by any means, but there's a plethora of examples on other posts / threads.
  8. by   NP2BE
    Quote from teeituptom
    Damn, he was stupid
    my thoughts exactly
  9. by   NP2BE
    Quote from barefootlady
    In my many years of nursing I have worked with a few good male nurses, ones I would share a shift with anytime, anyplace, anyhow. But, in general, I have worked with male nurses who just did not do their work, used the flirty, smiling, brown-nosing attitude to get ahead, and then when the job was too much for them tried to con some poor female into "giving me a hand with this."
    I heard ,just this weekend ,that one guy in particular had finally been called on the carpet by an older, experienced, drill sargent-type nurse, from what I hear she refuses to let him back in her department, will come in and cover herself, but he is never to come back. Seems like he just did not get around to giving that second unit of blood, HGB was only 7.1, so no rush, let the good old day shift RN,female ofcourse, do it. When I worked with this guy and NONE of the 06:00am meds or fingersticks were done and I complained, I was told he was managing other problems, even when I showed a pattern, so I am glad someone with clout got his butt.P.S. the other problems were computer games with the ER male nurse.

    there is that whole us vs them crap. immature and futile
  10. by   Tweety
    Right now I'm the only male on night shift. I work on a relatively new unit compared to other units as it was created about 1 1/2 years ago. I've been working the hospital longer than anyone on the unit and probably make the most money. Privy to the salaries of the night I know I make the most money on the night shift, except for the Travelers of course.

    This is my story and my opinion: I've never felt any advantage being male. I've felt as one of two male nursing students and usually one of only a handful of males working on the various med-surg units I've worked on, I've felt I've stood out and was scrutinized a bit more and have been driven to succeed and to prove myself. So if I have the promotion and the bucks (I've never had to negotiate) it's because I've earned it and not because it was handed to me. Part of it is my overachieving people-pleasing kind of attitude as well, but part is definately being a male in a female field and having to "prove" myself.

    I've worked with a lot of lazy good for nothing nurses both male and female. But I haven't seen any advantage to being male in my nursing career. I've also worked primarily at a hospital with a female CEO and females in all the positions of "power" in the nursing department.

    But that's my story and we all have different stories and experiences to tell. I've found the articles interesting and a bit disappointing. One would think we've moved beyond that.
  11. by   Tweety
    Quote from barefootlady
    In my many years of nursing I have worked with a few good male nurses, ones I would share a shift with anytime, anyplace, anyhow. But, in general, I have worked with male nurses who just did not do their work, used the flirty, smiling, brown-nosing attitude to get ahead, and then when the job was too much for them tried to con some poor female into "giving me a hand with this."
    I heard ,just this weekend ,that one guy in particular had finally been called on the carpet by an older, experienced, drill sargent-type nurse, from what I hear she refuses to let him back in her department, will come in and cover herself, but he is never to come back. Seems like he just did not get around to giving that second unit of blood, HGB was only 7.1, so no rush, let the good old day shift RN,female ofcourse, do it. When I worked with this guy and NONE of the 06:00am meds or fingersticks were done and I complained, I was told he was managing other problems, even when I showed a pattern, so I am glad someone with clout got his butt.P.S. the other problems were computer games with the ER male nurse.
    I usually admire what you have to say, but I have to say I this one bothers me. I can pick plenty of females that do not do their work and pass things on the to next shift and are downright dangerous, that flirt whenever a doc comes in, on and on.

    I'm not saying your experiences aren't valid. But we all have stories to tell about lazy nurses. What does his being male have to do with it?
  12. by   OZ88
    Male vs female nurses. I've dealt with this issue for 20 years in health care nursing. What I've come up with is that really, we are all nurses. All with different traits and characteristics. If a nurse makes a mistake it is not because she's a female or a male, they are equal "a nurse". The personality of nurses and how they get along with the patients and their fellow workers is the key here. Confident, well educated nurses seem to move up the ladder in any organisation, and I've seen some females with these traits do a very good job. I have to admit though that it is the males that get noticed and are more scrutinised at their decisions, more under the microscope. I have many friends who are female co-workers and share good working relations with them, but we don't hang out after working hours. I believe that this is the biggest difference between nursing and other professions.
    Having a balance of male and female staff staff is the key to a healthy workplace. Men and women have different styles and can compliment and bring more diversity to the profession. You can not give generalities to "this is what male nurses are like" I've seen variations of both. Many of our regional mangers are females who got there because of the "tough" managing styles they represent. I wondered if the same managing styles were displayed by "male" managers whether it would be seen as being too agressive. Right now in the region I work in, we have no male managers in nursing. Boy, I should be ticked right off! Nah. The nursing profession is what you make of it. There will always be the negative, bitter ones who will try to bring you down, for whatever reason. I don't think, however that it is any different in other workforces.
  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from 3rdShiftGuy
    I've worked with a lot of lazy good for nothing nurses both male and female. But I haven't seen any advantage to being male in my nursing career. I've also worked primarily at a hospital with a female CEO and females in all the positions of "power" in the nursing department.

    But that's my story and we all have different stories and experiences to tell. I've found the articles interesting and a bit disappointing. One would think we've moved beyond that.
    AMEN AND AMEN, can we NOT move beyond it already? Give me a unionized facility anytime. I Have worked in both non-union and union, and our wages are NOT secret and MEN do not have a leg-up on women where I work. It's more fair, althought imperfect. At least we all start on even ground. Like I have said before, give me a qualified nurse, gender, sexual preference, race, religious background DO NOT MATTER.

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