Failed NCLEX 5 Times! Am I The Only One Who . . . - page 3
Am I the only one who is concerned about someone who has failed multiple times, finally passes and then wants to share their experience with everyone else? Am I the only one who is concerned about... Read More
Feb 9, '12Quote from MN-NurseAs the parent of a few twenty-somethings I can tell you that it is NOT a mentality that exists primarily on message boards. It's rampant among my kids' friends and is something I fought with starting in elementary school. Some of the rewards and awards that were handed out amounted to 'good job for breathing'.I think that mentality exists primarily on message boards.
Allnurses in general is a very supportive community. A (mostly) unintended result of that is that people can come here and get a lot of support for things, ideas, and actions that would get an "Are you kidding me?!!?" response in real life.
Feb 9, '12Quote from leenakIn one state, they double the price of the bar exam each time you take it.My husband (who went to law school) was telling me about a friend who finally passed the bar exam on the 3rd try. He told me that generally if you don't pass on the 3rd try then you are basically out. Not sure if there are determined people that will keep trying but he seemed to indicate that people don't.
One of my classmates fell asleep taking the NCLEX, and still passed.
There is some truth to test anxiety. But I have to agree with above, learning to control your anxiety is important to being a nurse.
Feb 9, '12Some people may say here are some older nurses that will probably fail the nclex today, because they may not know how to work the computer.
Feb 9, '12Quote from nurseaigPassing the NCLEX is what makes you a NURSE.This is whats wrong with the nursing profession, nurses want to or looking for things to brag about. Who cares how much times one takes the NCLEX. Passing the NCLEX does not make you a good nurse. And does older nurses always think they know it all. Well, I have news for older nurses, simple things like computer charting pose a challenge. For the OP, there are better things you can do with your time. And yes,I did pass NCLEX on my first try.
Feb 9, '12So according to Ruby, Ms Nightingale was not a nurse. She did not take the NCLEX. And I can name a few nurses that never took the NCLEX and was pioneers of nursing.Last edit by nurseaig on Feb 9, '12 : Reason: wrong word and more words.
Feb 9, '12sorry, i'm not buying the excuse about not being good test taker.
if your nsg education/school didn't give you enough opportunity to confront one's weaknesses/shortcomings, then nclex isn't the time to start.
once you reach nclex level, you should have had more than enough time and opportunity to improve on test-taking.
i do agree about mandating remedial education, if you flunk nclex more than twice.
nursing IS the type of profession where one shouldn't have sev'l chances to pass by the skin of their teeth.
and yes, it's true that passing nclex doesn't automatically make you a good nurse...
but that's not the question or contention of this thread.
and it's not being prejudice against those who have difficulty passing.
but even if it was - big deal.
nursing should aspire to the highest of standards, where only the very best need apply.
unfortunately, that's not the case.
it just wouldn't be a bad thing, if it was.
leslieLast edit by leslie :-D on Feb 9, '12
Feb 9, '12"now days we have to listen to heart sounds, read ekgs, locate organs and things like the macula lens on diagrams."
(umm, i had to "read ekgs, identify heart sounds and what they meant, and locate organs (!!!) when i took the boards the year after florence. just whom do you think you are addressing?)
good luck with that last one, though. no such thing as a "macula lens."
i recently had occasion to do a little remedial tutoring with a senior studen who was having a very hard time passing nclex-type exams. the fact of the matter was that the exams were not "tricky" or "unrealistically hard." she was not able to answer the questions because she just didn't get them. she misread them completely, didn't know basic concepts, got them exactly backwards, or answered them very much like a lay person would but not at the higher level expected of a nurse. i have serious doubts as to whether she would pass the nclex and if she took three or six tries to do it i would not want her caring for my loved ones. nice girl, really, a nice girl, but she really doesn't have what it takes to be an rn. i hear a lot of that in this thread.Last edit by nurseprnRN on Feb 9, '12
Feb 9, '12Quote from NurseLoveJoy88You also might want not to say this because it's untrue. Consider first that all of us (including us old farts) are communicating (gasp!) on a computer! As for charting systems I still manage to learn a new system approximately every 3 months with minimal instruction, using it independently within 1-2 shifts - despite being a creaky 57. This despite having started in the era of paper and pen charting (with different color ink for each shift. Anyone remember that?)I agree. Some people may say here are some older nurses that will probably fail the nclex today, because they may not know how to work the computer. I wouldn't say something like this though because it would be sterotyping and we just don't do that on AN.
Feb 9, '12i think it is important to say the nclex is not a reflection on ones passion for people, but rather a minimum standard of ones knowledge. to me becoming a nurse is not a right, but a privilege. i agree with leslie we need to demand the highest standards.
Feb 9, '12Quote from netglowThe old NCLEX did required a strong knowledge of patho-phys and more questions than not required critical thinking. We didn't get to listen to heart or lung sounds or have diagrams, we answered questions based on the written descriptions. The test also covered legal and ethical issues.I don't have any idea what the old tests were like, I would hope they went deeply into pathophys and also critical thinking in response to a scenario.
I have to say, I passed with 75. No I didn't think I had the right answers to the nutty questions posed in the current adaptive version, as most were nonsensical. I was glad to have passed, but also depressed at how the test did not test one iota of the knowledge I had gained and the work I did to be sure I could correctly apply this knowledge. I wanted to pass a "shake down" type of test. A real marathon. Proof that I knew my stuff inside and out, kind of test. So, I've always wondered if back in the day the tests were like I had wished mine was...
With the old test you could answer all the 'hard' questions correctly but still fail if you got the answers wrong on the basics. Thats the biggest problem I have with adaptive testing, if you do well on progressively more complex questions it doesn't even check that the testee actually grasps basic concepts.
I think it's all part of the watering down of nursing education as a whole and it's damaging the profession. Nurses are demanding to be treated more like professionals while the minimum requirements to practice are being lowered.
The whole think just upsets the hell out of me. I'm going to stop now and just copy and paste something I've written about this before:
Many of us who graduated from degreed programs (not diploma programs) didn't get to graduate unless we demonstrated proficiency in actually doing the nursing tasks
that students now get by with knowing how to do "in theory" or on a dummy.
Before we graduated we darn well better have been able to look at an order, gather the materials, explain it to the patient and perform the task.
If we couldn't demonstrate proficiency at sinking a tube, starting an IV, inserting a foley, etc we got remediated until we could do it. Or we didn't get to graduate.
New grads got maybe 4 weeks of orientation in med-surg, and that was primarily orientation to the unit or facility, because they already knew how to think like nurses, how to perform the nursing tasks and how to spot a patient going down the tubes (and what to do about it).Last edit by kids on Feb 9, '12
Feb 9, '12all these bleeding hearts on this site claiming failing the nclex multible times has nothing to do with being a good nurse should wake up. I sure as heck do not want that person caring for myself or a family member of mine trying to remember a drip rate or cracking under pressure bursing into tears because the stress is just too much. I will come out and say it. If you need more than twice to pass nclex, go back to doing what you did before nursing before you hurt someone.Nclex is critical thinking skills, choosing the best answer for the best outcome. Please don't play that test anxiety card either. That is just another excuse.