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Aug 24, '00Hi again! Jackie Payne came up with an excellent starting point for us! Let's start an email campaign to our leaders! Here are the email addresses for both George W. Bush, and Al Gore. And Saphie and Jay-Jay, I have come up with Jean Chretian's too! For mailing addresses, see Jackie Payne's posting topic Alternative to March.
I think that this would be an excellent start.
George W. Bush
Jean Chretian (for our neighbours to the north ha! ha!)
Let those emails fly you guys! If anyone gets a response, do share so we can guage the reception.
Aug 24, '00OK you guys! If it is such a good idea and while you are all fired up, how are we going to get this accomplished? First, you all and anyone else you know need to notify you state nurses association, and ANA along with any other groups you can find to get started, we are ready to march! next, a wave of "propaganda" has to hit the public; education from nurses themselves: volunteer to speak at the lunch meetings of service groups, set up a forum or education class on unsafe health care or related topic in your community, get items and concerns listed in your local papers, etc. It is a big job, and everyone has to help. Also, the big groups have to get behind this idea to and they won't if we don't! I am doing my share and will continue to. I know that most of you are not as busy as I am (trust me- 3 jobs and school, my own business, an advocacy group and my family) but this is worth losing a little sleep over - you'll lose alot more while you are waiting to give a deposition on why you gave such poor care and if it was unsafe why did you accept the assignment, etc. Once the big groups get a hold of the idea, it will get organized alot faster but NURSES AS A GROUP must work together and educate the public to make this an issue; especially in an election year and our very own governor here in Texas in the race, if we unite, we can win this battle!
Aug 25, '00Glad to see so many new postings on this subject--I plan on riding this out and doing what I can to make this happen. Like one of the nurses so elequently pointed out "it is worth losing a little sleep over!" California Nurses Association has a wonderful website and are more than willing to give any information that gets the word out to the public. I am so jealous that their association is so active in the political arena when it comes to staffing ratios and patient care issues. I think that they have formed a solid foundation on which we can build from here. Let's follow their lead ladies--we are anatomically correct aren't we? I mean, we do have backbones--let's stand up!!
Aug 25, '00I beleive that in theory the idea of a nursing march on Washington sounds great. I do recall the folks who published Nurse Revolution several years ago had a march of that nature. It would be difficult to organize a movement that large. But what if we all get together on a specific date and all of us just flood the Whitehouse or government with massive e-mails of our concerns, maybe @least a few will get through and let them know that we are uniting with a cause to better our healthcare system Kinda like a Paper March on DC......... hey just a thought
Aug 25, '00I have one legal question on this. How do we really tell the public without violating confidentaility?
Aug 26, '00Pat and Barb, I have NO idea how to do this, but damn I am determined to take this profession to a new level. I don't believe we can go on like this at work. It has come to the point where if we don't push for a change, than I am outta here.
What do you guys advise? I will work tirelessly to help with this as it's something I believe in very strongly.
Aug 27, '00Hey guys,you are not alone-In New Zealand the hospital based nurses have been fighting for exactly the same reasons and we in Tauranga had a rally and marched up the main street of town on a busy Friday with a police escort-the main thing is organisation-we are lucky here that we have an active union that fights with the nurses FOR the nurses.I will look forward to hearing about it on the world news headlines!
Aug 27, '00Hi everybody!
Here's the e-mail that I sent to George and Al. Bush's e-mail came back to me but I'll try him again later.
I am compelled to write and make sure that you are aware that there is currently a problem in the U.S. with safe staffing levels of R.N.'s to patients in the hospitals. With a nursing shortage on the horizon this is only going to worsen. And the reason for a nursing shortage? Poor staffing ratios! Nurses are leaving the hospitals and the profession because they can't deliver safe health care and are asked to jeprodize the welfare of their patients for the bottom line. Nurses in California have recently had legislation passed that addresses this issue. You could certainly gain the support of all nurses if you would address this issue in the upcoming election on a national level.
Anyway, Thats what I wrote. What do ya'll(Texas thing) think.
PS- Here's gov. Bush's address.
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Aug 28, '00Okay bunky, (or is it spunky bunky), I agree with you 100% We need to let the public know about the conditions they will be hospitalized under. After all, healthcare isn't something that only affects a few people, it affects everyone, if not now then sometime in the future. I also agree that organizations out there like the ANA and some unions have done nothing to help this. If they have such political clout and backing and really care about what's going on with patients as well as with nurses then why aren't they making sure this message is getting out to the consumers of healthcare. I'm tired of having others speak for nurses and we all should be. If we can take care of critically ill patients, make minute by minute assessments and act on them independently to keep someone alive or save a life then I think we are quite capable of speaking for ourselves. We don't need a bunch of people who haven't stepped foot in a hospital in decades or at all, who are not right there at the bedside 24/7 to speak for us. It has to be US. The ones who are actually there all the time and who experiance the fallout from decisions made by others who don't have a clue. This is definitely feasable. Look at the million mom march or the march on Washington. But I fear that a one time thing like that gets in the news, it's a big deal, "Look at all those nurses marching" ect. then everyone forgets about it. Politicians and public alike. Things also have to be done at local levels to make an impact on the patients each of us sees. When it's done on a national level (ie; march on Washington etc), a lot of people think, oh that's not happening here where I live. It needs to get more personal. The public needs to know, yes it's happening in your own backyard! The hospital that you go to when you need care! We need to be putting things in our local newspapers, rallying in our local communities to really bring it home. Giving the public the information they need so they can also contact their politicians that represent them. I'm not saying a march or rally on a grander scale wouldn't be any good, but I think we need to do both. The public needs to know exactly what nurses do. Giving bedpans, ice water, fixing the sheets, that's only a small part of what we do (as we know!). What about going through patients charts, reviewing their meds with the lab results and diagnosis. That each and everytime we walk into a room we're assessing them. Putting all the pieces together to notice when there's been a change, no matter how subtle, in their condition and that we act upon it. They need to know how nurses are educated. What kind of courses do we take. How much we actually have to know about pathophysiology, anatomy, chemistry etc. Not that we just learned the basics of how to give a bedbath or give injections etc. How are we supposed to do all that continuously when we are short staffed? That when nurses leave the profession it's not because of money (that's another subject!), but because we feel we cannot give them the appropriate care they deserve and are paying for because there aren't enough of us to do it properly.
I do agree that's a bit tacky to say we're short staffed and leave it at that. But if a patient is upset that I didn't get to them right away I do tell them why. If I had an emergency I tell them that. I explain that I need to put things in priority and while their needs are important, and important to me, if I have a number of patients that need things and there is only one of me, I need to go to the most pressing problem first. I have not had one person not understand this. I've also started giving myself credit when credit is do. When pts. say things like "My doctor did a potassium on me and said it was too high and I could've been in real trouble. He said it was due to my pills. Thank God he did that. He changed my medicine. He really knows his stuff", I tell the truth and say "Yeah, I was going over your meds and noticed you hadn't had a potassium done for awhile and added it to your labs. I thought maybe it was too high" I'm not dr. bashing here, but I think the patient needs to know that this is something that nurses do. All disciplines work together toward one goal, getting and keeping the patient well. I hope this helps them better understand what a nursing shortage really means. Boy, was I long winded! Anyway, I'm behind you bunky.
Aug 28, '00please count me in. i think that is a wonderful idea. where i work if you even mention getting together for a cause, such as more nurses or more money you will be fired. I think this is the perfect time for this because of the shortage. please email me directly, to that i can give you my address and a few others.
Aug 28, '00Thanks for the support Rosemary. The thing that I am finding difficult about all of this is knowing just how far to take things.
You see, while I admire what Pat says that she did, I CAN'T afford to lose my job, no matter how crappy it is, my kids come before anything else and I simply won't lose my job to improve it without ME being the one to quit VS being fired. I am also a single parent and providing for my kids HAS to come before improving my working conditions, so I really can't see myself out in front of the hospital handing out flyers. I can see myself participating in some sort of a public education campaign telling people what exactly is going on though, and why they need nurses as you so admirably outlined.
So...Pat and Barb, please tell me how to go about any of this. I am willing to write and go to DC if necessary to make the point that nurses are needed, and that safe staffing guidelines HAVE to be drawn up for safety.