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No replies from students please! Nurses, are you frustrated with trying to read theses forums only to find that most of the posts are from students or nurse wanna-be's looking for medical advice?... Read More
Oct 6, '06the heading found in the general nursing forum:
general nursing discussion use this forum for all discussions that dont fit into any specialty nursing forums. or if it's nursing related, and you dont know where to post it, post it here.
those seeking medical advice come from all walks of life; student, seasoned nurse, firefighters, plumbers, computer experts, sahm, grand fathers, sisters, obs, and on and on and on.....
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freedom of speech?
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and, the police are usually not invited to these threads.....Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Oct 6, '06 : Reason: added TOS link
Oct 6, '06Thanks to Brian we HAVE these forums. He has devoted a lot of time and energy keeping this as the BEST and LARGEST Nursing forum in the world.
SO, dear hearts and gentle people, let's debate topics and not the poster. If you don't want to respond to particular posters or their topics there is a feature named IGNORE.
As far as I see most people here get along just fine. I myself LOVE students and all the new questions they post. How on earth can one become experienced if not by learning from those who have gone before?
And I am (I confess) a police captain, but I really try to hold in flinching to the best of my ability.
Oct 6, '06"Many posters (I am one) pull up the BB by looking at threads with new activity. As such, I often do not note the forum. If I have something to add, I add it. If not, I don't."
"I believe that you will find many of us do this."
Exactly! Thats what I do. (The last 24 hours). I was a student till june and now Im a "For Real" Nurse. So only 4 months, I hope that counts to post on this thread. LOL Kidding! Gawd ! I see nothing wrong with having a "seasoned" nurse forum. Go for it. Why not? But I have a question. I know that there is a Nurse's Lounge and I assume that's for paying people right? Or am I wrong? And would it be a safe assumption that most students don't pay a yearly rate to post and just do the freebie thing?
OH ! OH! One more thing..... Since becoming a nurse,I think I have more questions now then I did then! LOL
Oct 6, '06... slipping in to add my vote: yea.
It would be an interesting read.
(Oh, does this vote count, I'm not even an official student yet, just working on my NA certification.
Oct 6, '06Quote from rn34tx[font="comic sans ms"]exactly! it would be lovely to have a thread where we can vent without being told we have bad attitudes, or shouldn't be precepting anymore or are old dogs or burnt out or any of the above by someone without enough experience to understand. i'm not sure how we'd go about keeping those kinds of posts out of our forum, though. still, if it could work, i'd love it!if i'm understanding you correctly, this is how i'm interpreting it:
you had a horrid day at work or something unusual happened, and you just want to vent or find out if the same thing happens to other nurses in other units/hospitals, and want input/advice from others who've been there or just want some understanding and support and need to vent......
then a student pops in with a "oh my god, i'm about to graduate and this post is scaring me-did i make a mistake to enter nursing?" or "do all nurses get bitter/burned out or have bad attitudes like that?" when all you want to do is vent or get some input from people who've been where you are.
if that is where you are going with this, then yes, i see it happen to threads and i really don't like seeing the topics turn into consoling/counseling nervous students or comments about "bad attitudes" because they are still in a very idealistic stage of the profession and lack the experience to really understand where you're coming from but.......
Oct 6, '06Quote from ruby veeexactly! it would be lovely to have a thread where we can vent without being told we have bad attitudes, or shouldn't be precepting anymore or are old dogs or burnt out or any of the above by someone without enough experience to understand. i'm not sure how we'd go about keeping those kinds of posts out of our forum, though. still, if it could work, i'd love it!
Oct 6, '06[font=book antiqua]i agree with the original post. when nurses in the battlefield want to vent or state their true opinions they are often met with the idealistic "you're just burnt out", "maybe you need to leave the profession if you are unhappy", etc. it may be very hard to enforce this as how would you really know who is a nurse with an active license? people lined up to slice and dice you for your suggestion but i felt it was totally reasonable. there are plenty of forums in allnurses and one more won't hurt. i might add that some of the comments made were quite nasty. you weren't nasty in what you presented. you just want to talk specifically to and with experienced nurses about some topics. what's wrong with that? :innerconf
Oct 6, '06Here are a few suggestions to handle some of the above complaints.
Instead of clicking on the "Last 24 Hours" option, go instead to "All Forums." Then select an area of interest. If you do choose to go the Last 24 Hours route, pay attention to the forum as well as the subject header. I don't usually go to the NCLEX forums and I visit the student and International areas only when the title post intrigues me.
If you are starting a thread and you want only the opinions of experienced nurses, you may state that in your initial post. Try to be kind. Focus on what you need rather than fault others. It's much easier to hear (and understand) "I need to vent right now and would primarily like to hear from nurses who have worked this specialty or who have been around the block a few times," than to read about the flaws and deficiencies of students or wanna-bes.
Learn to ignore things that do not interest you. This forum is like a giant mall. Feel free to browse. Select what attracts you. Leave the rest behind. And recognize that, while this is a privately-owned forum, there are few restrictions regarding who can have access to specific threads.
Report objectionable posts. That little red triangle in the lower left corner of each post is there for you to click on when you encounter a problem. After you click the button, you will be taken to a screen that asks the reason you're reporting. This can range from violations of the Terms of Service (bad language, flaming, inappropriate comments, etc.) to posts which are fine in themselves but which are off topic or which clearly belong in a different forum.
The moderating team will decide if the post needs to be edited, deleted, moved, or left alone. We usually PM those involved to explain whatever action was or wasn't taken. This is so much more effective than launching counter-measures of your own and helps to prevent the kind of escalating conflict that results in a thread having to be shut down.
Feel free to PM members whose opinions and communication skills you respect. The longer you hang around, the more you'll discover kindred spirits. These are the folks you can turn to when you're feeling low. And they'll likely do the same with you. Sometimes a conversation with one or two trusted individuals is more comforting and restorative than ten pages on a high-traffic thread. This is especially true and wise when revealing the particulars of a situation could make you too easily identifiable on the regular board.
For the most part, overlook spelling, grammar and usage complaints. If there is a significant lapse--all caps, every word capitalized, text-message English, many foreign words and phrases--use the good ol' report button and we will address the problem. Correcting others publicly is a dicey business and opens you up to far more scrutiny than most of us can withstand. If you think an error has been made and it has an impact on the meaning of the post, PM'ing is usually viewed as being less aggressive and will probably yield a better result.
Anytime you have the urge to disagree with someone, PLEASE, concentrate on the particular statement or behavior you take issue with. DO NOT focus on the other member's age, gender, nursing credentials, political background, religious stance, race, or any other personal attribute. All that does is invite flaming. And almost always, the real point is lost in the ensuing chaos.
Try not to take offense. In this case, my impression is that the OP just wants a safe place to vent and unwind without having to deal with the comments of people who haven't yet "been there." Seems reasonable enough to me. You don't have to be anti-student to grow impatient at times with unchallenged idealism or the burden of having to protect tender feelings, especially when you're having a bad day and want someone to look out for YOU.
Try not to give offense. Once again, report bad posts rather than take up arms against the poster. Focus on issues, not personalities. Remember sarcasm doesn't travel well via the written word. Give the benefit of the doubt whenever possible (I don't think you meant to be insulting, but your words were kind of harsh). Approach via PM if there is tension. Resist the urge to humiliate, especially when you're right. Use gentle humor to defuse potentially sparky conversations. And keep in mind that the more intense the topic, the more thoughtful your words need to be.
I hope these ideas help.Last edit by rn/writer on Oct 6, '06
Oct 6, '06Quote from RunningWithScissorsAnd keep the PRACTICING LPNs out of there because we don't count! I rarely get into RN/LPN thing, but it does get pretty old hearing things like RNs only...I still would like to see a forum specifically for PRACTICING RN's, a safe place to vent and bounce things off each other.
But, as I see already from responses on this thread, students can't seem to follow directions and not post where they're not asked to.
So, as with everything in nursing, another good idea down the drain due to lack of support. Nothing will ever change in this profession.
I don't disagree that it would be nice to vent about things without hearing how we are burned out or mean or uncaring or whatever, but I think everyone has something to offer...and sometimes people need to vent about all of the venting they hear...Last edit by flashpoint on Oct 6, '06
Oct 6, '06Quote from RunningWithScissorsNo replies from students please!
Nurses, are you frustrated with trying to read theses forums only to find that most of the posts are from students or nurse wanna-be's looking for medical advice? You can usually tell them by the poor grammer.
Can we have a forum created for experienced nurses only to post?
No flames, let's just be honest here.
An experienced nurse forum sounds like a great idea.
That being said, the OP said that she could usually tell who the students are by their poor grammar (this is the proper way to spell the word, by the way)? Are you kidding? I have been out of nursing school for 5 months, and I can honestly tell you that I did not suddenly learn how to write the English language the day I became a nurse.
Oct 6, '06i am not a nurse, i'm not even a student yet.
that being said, i would love to read the vents people have about things going on at work, the things that are tough to deal with etc. it would give me an idea of what things i may encounter when and if i do get to and through nursing school into a career. i like to go into things with eyes wide open, not with rose colored glasses, so i figure anything i read will help me learn a thing or two of what may be in store for me.