Excelsior College questions - page 2

I am looking into Lpn- RN programs, Excelsior college has popped up in my search. For those who are going through or have been through their program, is it worth it? My Hubby is concerned about... Read More

  1. by   Betty_SPN_KS
    Quote from orrnlori
    Gee, I could be wrong but I don't think you do the same kind of clinical evaluation at the BSN level you do at the ADN level. Check their website for a description ( and be sure to look at the cost!) of what is required for the BSN "clinical".
    Sorry, I should have read your post more closely before I replied. I didn't even realize there was a clinical requirement for their RN-to-BSN degree.
  2. by   BBFRN
    Quote from Betty_SPN_KS
    Sorry, I should have read your post more closely before I replied. I didn't even realize there was a clinical requirement for their RN-to-BSN degree.
    http://www.excelsior.edu/enrolled/nur_pxms.htm

    Here's the link to info about the clinical performance exams. Note that if you go into the BSN program, you can either take the CPNE, or portfolio your experience.

    Also, I've heard good things about Plano. Either you know your stuff, or you don't in the CPNE. The CAs and CEs have strict guidelines that they have to go by, and we are made fully aware of what is expected of us during the CPNE. As far as I know there are no elusive CEs/CAs out to get students and fail them. From what I hear, the majority are extremely supportive, but it's not their job to teach us what to do in the CPNE. We should have already learned it by the time we take it, because it's a performance exam. If you ever have any questions about it, make a phone appt with a CPNE advisor. They will answer anything you need to know. Don't let people who fail to take responsibility for their own "unpreparedness" and blame the CPNE staff for it. We get it beat into our heads that if we don't perform perfectly during the CPNE, we will fail. I know somebody that failed for not putting a paper towel on a scale before she weighed a patient. But, we are taught that we have to do things like that in order to pass. We have to show that we have learned what was expected of us, or we fail. Those who take that seriously know what they're in for when they take the exam. That's the gyst of it, really. No facility is any worse than the others. It is what you make of it by studying your butt off, and keeping contact with a CPNE advisor so your questions will be answered before the exam.
  3. by   orrnlori
    Excellent reply. Wonder what is needed for the portfolio assessment, seems the easiest way to get through their BSN if you are already a practicing RN is to do that but there appears to be eligibility criteria. I'm sure the program is easier to understand once in it, looking at it from the outside is a different story.
  4. by   BBFRN
    I'm not sure what the eligibility criteria is for the portfolio, either. I'm going into the BSN program after I take the CPNE for the ASN in mid-May, so I won't be doing a portfolio. The ph# for the School of Nursing is 1-888-647-2388 then 1317 if anybody is interested in calling them and asking, though. Just ask for a BSN advisor when they answer, and they'll patch you through.

    Quote from orrnlori
    Excellent reply. Wonder what is needed for the portfolio assessment, seems the easiest way to get through their BSN if you are already a practicing RN is to do that but there appears to be eligibility criteria. I'm sure the program is easier to understand once in it, looking at it from the outside is a different story.
  5. by   MickyB-RN
    I wonder how many tries at the cpne you have?


    Kelly
  6. by   BBFRN
    I could be wrong, but I think you have 3 tries. There are workshops to help you though, so you can do run-throughs and get critiqued on what you need to work on.
  7. by   MickyB-RN
    Okay, I read their webpage. 3 times to pass. Just makes you wonder what one does with the education if they don't make it. Start an RN program over again? Just thinking out loud here. lol


    Kelly
  8. by   BBFRN
    Actually, they are NLNAC accredited, so the courses could be transferrable to another NLN accredited college. I do know that the U of L BSN school here accepts EC nursing credits. So, if anything you would have to take all the clinicals and any other requirements not covered at EC to finish your degree at another institution.
  9. by   featherzRN
    I took my CPNE in Long Beach (California), and from what I read on the excelsior support yahoogroups boards it's supposed to be horribly hard to pass in Long Beach. /shrug. I passed with no fails on any modules. We had 12 people testing and 10 passed for sure. There was one fail I know of and she was REALLY unprepared and the other one (who was destined to fail) hadn't even read the study guide. And those of you who have taken the CPNE know the study guide is your bible.

    So don't worry TOO much about CPNE locations.

    And FWIW, I work and am licensed in California and have never had a problem getting a job based on graduating from Excelsior (then Regents College). California has not 'banned' anything yet, but they have required that LVN's get supervised clinical experience now - since Excelsior is not yet offering that they won't let you sign up as a California student at this time. I have a feeling they will figure something out eventually.
  10. by   BBFRN
    Thanks for posting your experience, Featherz. I like to hear more from those that have "made it" than those who haven't. I agree with you about the study guide being your Bible. They go to great lengths to tell you what they expect from you. It's got just about every curveball they could throw at you covered in it.
  11. by   Sheri257
    Quote from featherzRN

    And FWIW, I work and am licensed in California and have never had a problem getting a job based on graduating from Excelsior (then Regents College). California has not 'banned' anything yet, but they have required that LVN's get supervised clinical experience now - since Excelsior is not yet offering that they won't let you sign up as a California student at this time. I have a feeling they will figure something out eventually.
    Look, I'm not trying to stir the pot, believe it or not. But let's present both sides of the issue, since this is what the OP asked about. Excelsior may be "legit" in some states and with some hospitals, but that's not always the case.

    I actually ran into a Kaiser recruiter last week, and they're not hiring new Excelsior grads. And one of my classmates works at Kaiser, and wanted to go through Excelsior, but her Kaiser bosses said she would not be hired as a nurse if she did. It's no surprize since Kaiser testified against Excelsior at the board hearings.

    I'm glad it hasn't been a problem for you, but it might be a problem for others. If you want to use some word other than "banned." Ok. The bottom line is: Excelsior is no longer an option in California.
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Mar 1, '04
  12. by   Agnus
    Oh the rumor mill!

    When are you going to check with the CA BORN to see WHY new Excelsior Grads are not accepted? When are you going to check with them to see That if your are an RN your degree is recognized? I don't even live in CA and am up on this.

    When are you going to ask EC about this?
    When are you going to ask EC to give you the pass rate for each of their test Sites?

    When are you going to ask EC what the requirements are for you? It IS different if you are already an RN. At the present it depends on if you enrolled < Oct 2001 if you even have to do the portfolio.
    Last edit by Agnus on Feb 29, '04
  13. by   Sheri257
    Quote from Agnus
    Oh the rumor mill!

    When are you going to check with the CA BORN to see WHY new Excelsior Grads are not accepted? When are you going to check with them to see That if your are an RN your degree is recognized? I don't even live in CA and am up on this.

    When are you going to ask EC about this?
    When are you going to ask EC to give you the pass rate for each of their test Sites?

    When are you going to ask EC what the requirements are for you? It IS different if you are already an RN. At the present it depends on if you enrolled < Oct 2001 if you even have to do the portfolio.
    Agnus, I think you've misread my post. I was talking about new EC grads, and said so in my post. If you're talking about existing RNs who are grandfathered in, that's true. I never said otherwise.

    The OP asked about potential hiring issues with EC as a prospective nursing student, not as an existing RN. And, to answer her question, there have been some hiring issues with new EC grads in California. She might want to check and see if this is happening in her own state.

    I did check with the BORN. They told me hospitals weren't hiring new EC grads. Quite frankly, I don't think that's true of all hospitals in California. But the Kaiser situation is a matter of public record, and has even been reported in the newspaper where other hospitals, who have the same policy, were also mentioned.

    It's not rumor.
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Mar 1, '04

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