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No. 20
Old Jun 17, 2009, 12:16 AM

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Wow, talk about eating your young.
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No. 21
from Patchouli
Old Jun 17, 2009, 12:17 AM

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There have got to be other nursing programs besides this one. I do hear ya on the GPA thing. There were only four (I believe) perfect 4.0 students at the end after we graduated. Our program is known for it's difficulty. I would look for other options if you are this worried about this particular school.
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No. 22
Old Jun 17, 2009, 12:19 AM

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[quote=NursingStudent5548;3689814]I worry if the RN rarely gets into a patients room, and you don't know basic things that signal a decline in the patient status what's going to happen to that patient?

Huh? What makes you think the RNs rarely get into the rooms?? If I or any other RN conducted ourselves like that, we would soon be out of a job. That statement makes no sense to me. Sorry.

Even IF this is the case, it is NOT under the scope of practice for UNLICENSED personnel to assess patients. Techs/CNAs, etc are trained to perform basic nursing functions such as V/S, ADLs, etc. It is not in their scope of practice to INTERPRET them.

So I have no idea what YOU are worried about...
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No. 23
from eriksoln
Old Jun 17, 2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by NursingStudent5548 View Post
Okay I was doing orientation at a major hospital today...while there I had time to talk to new grads and students at the program I am going to enroll in.

I am hoping to get into the accelerated program. The standards are higher to be accepted in this program and although I exceed them, I still worry about getting accepted.

So I (know maybe rude) asked a few people what their GPA was in school. EVERY single person told me 4.0!!

This cracked me up especially the itty bitty girl who took a Nurse Tech position in the NICU.
I had orientation with her the day before and I couldn't help but laugh at her ignorant questions and statements. It was so bad I shared with my fiance when he got home.

When discussing warning signs for bleeding she stated decreased HR increased BP.....
This is just one the ridiculous things she said... and if not saying something ridiculous she said "I don't know"

Once again, she claims to have a 4.0...
And she has completed the first semester of Nursing School.


What makes this worse is if my child goes to NICU after birth, I will insist she doesn't lay a hand on him!!

I am also concerned how or why would any hospital hire an nursing student who couldn't tell a foley from an IV!!
I mean didn't the ignorance I have seen displayed over the last 2 days come out during her interview??
Actually, this is not all that strange. Not saying its acceptable or anything or that she doesnt need some guidance perhaps, but its not uncommon.

Some of the students from my school who had "4.0":
1. I know of 3 people from my graduating class that failed boards first time. One of them had the magical "4.0".

2. My class, from beginning to end had a lot of people drop out because of clinicals, not because of theory. We often joked at the trend of people dropping out of the program and stating clinicals were the reason. It seemed they all had great theory grades. It got so bad, when someone got a "A" on a test............they'd announce to the class "I'm getting written up this week in clinicals for sure."

3. I did not like a lot of things at my school program. Disorganized, chaotic, unclear expectations. One thing I think that went well though was Skills Lab. Our lab instructors were superior. Never had a lab class that I didnt appreciate. We had only two students ever have to repeat a semester because they failed lab. Both of them had very good theory grades.


I think these trends were not coincidence nor were they unique to my class. It boils down to two things:

1. Clinicals and Lab are simply pass/fail. Doing well in them vs. barely getting by makes no difference what so ever. In theory, it does though. A system where all three are represented by a letter grade would help with this.

2. The theory behind "Knowledge Application" tests is solid, and a lot of effort is put into making the tests. In the end though, I dont think they do a very good job of giving a grade reflective of the person's understanding of the material. It is harder to B.S. your way through a test but something is still lacking. To be honest, I think often the wrong people do well with these tests. The purpose they were designed for was to raise a red flag on those who memorize instead of understand. But, somehow, it just ends doing something completely different.
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No. 24
Old Jun 17, 2009, 12:47 AM

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It mattered to me because I am transfering from another state and was trying to get statistical information on those whom I will be competing with for a limited spot in a nursing program.

If everyone of those nurses truly has a 4.0 then, yes I have reason to be worried I am slightly beneath that.

I am and was so harsh about this things because this was an orientation for CNA's and Receptionist. It was also pretty common knowledge stuff. Like a picture of a patient was presented drinking some sort of tomato based drink (could be alcohol/or not) but a sign above their head on a BIG RED piece of paper said NPO. She was asked what was wrong here... I don't know his head is to high?

I know she is a student nurse but she was supposed to be the most KNOWLEDGEABLE and EDUCATED person in the orientation. NPO is taught in MED Term before even entering the nursing program.

I am insecure and do worry I won't be accepted into the program. I have not hidden this fact and have made it very clear.

I don't expect her to know everything... but I do expect her to know vitals for the patients she is caring for. I do expect her to notice excessive vomiting, decreased urine output, dehydration, jaundice, and any other problems.

She is the first line working with this children. She got a difficult slot to get, NICU is high demand and very competitive to get into.

In fact she stated "I only applied for NICU, and they only accept 3 Tech's a semester"

If you were the top pick I expect to see the best from you!!
I don't consider not being able to know things that CNA's and Receptionist know to be the best or even acceptable.

I worry if the RN rarely gets into a patients room, and you don't know basic things that signal a decline in the patient status what's going to happen to that patient?

I am behind her education wise, I haven't been shown sterile procedure for foley's but she has.
I didn't expect her to know anything I hadn't already learned in obtaining my prerequisites.

SO yes, I am concerned to see this and if she really does have a 4.0 and would be accepted into the nursing program and I am not. I am concerned and would feel very upset that someone who's GPA was above mine by less than .31 percentage got accepted and I didn't. From what I gather if honestly all those nurses had 4.0's and there is only 30 slots, I may not even stand a chance.

SO yes it does worry me...

Cause maybe if I wasn't taking 18-20 hours a semester while pregnant and working full time then I to would of had a 4.0!!

This is a city with 400,000 people and only 30 RN/BSN slots available a semester, thats scary!!
Ok, this is going to come off as harsh, but really what you "expect" from this girl really doesn't matter. She will have to answer to her supervisors and her teachers if she is incompetent. You don't get a say in her training. You are not even a nursing student yet so you really have no idea until you are.

You work full-time and you are pregnant..these things are choices. Do you expect a pat on the back? Many of us have worked full-time and gone to school. Or went to school and had kids.

You are going to find out quickly that no matter how smart you think you are..you will make mistakes, you will do stupid things and ask stupid questions. That first year out of school has a way of humbling you mighty quickly.

Come back here in a few years and reread your posts on this topic. I would put money on the fact that you are going to shake your head and marvel that you were ever so arrogant. That is if you make it through school in the first place. Nursing instructors have a talent for sniffing out the overly confident ones so they can knock them down.
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No. 25
from Patchouli
Old Jun 17, 2009, 12:53 AM

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I was always told the students who thought they knew everything, were the ones that RNs disliked teaching the most, and usually were the most dangerous because they thought they knew everything and didn't need to ask for help. I always brought humble pie with me to school and definately to clinicals. If you like, I'll cut you a slice.
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No. 26
from Virgo_RN
Old Jun 17, 2009, 02:13 AM

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I worked full time through NS and carried a 4.0, passed the NCLEX with 75 questions, and am a damn smart nurse, but I don't know infant vitals. Put me in a NICU, and you'd be hearing a lot of "I don't know".
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No. 27
from NICUnursey
Old Jun 17, 2009, 03:52 AM

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Here is some more enlightenment for you....


A tech in the NICU does not provide ANY care to sick babies! This is purely an RN function. You say such a cruel statement about a person without knowing how the NICU even operates.


Techs are utilized for babies that are quite stable for vital signs and feedings nearly ready to go home. And many other tasks that are not patient related. The itty bity girl will be provided an orientation to what she is doing as well. She will be delegated with tasks that she is capable of safely performing. With the experience she will gain, she will learn the vital sign parameters especially when she has to learn to count such a fast heart rate! It takes practice.

Please do not judge others so harshly, you will be judged the same way......

Good luck to you and I hope the NICU is not a place you will experience with your new baby....

Judy
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No. 28
Old Jun 17, 2009, 04:10 AM

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I gotta say...I work in pediatrics where I take care of sick infants all the time and I don't think I could ramble off infant or peds vitals off the top of my head! Every kid is different. Some kid is going to have a low HR due to physiological issues or meds. Some my be fast. Some kids can sat in the 70's and that is fantastic. And while I don't have the exact ranges memorized, I am pretty good at looking at the monitor and saying, "Well that isn't quite right." or, "Hey, thats pretty good." And yes, I also carry a "cheat sheet" of normal peds vitals ranges on my badge.

I don't know how all NICUs operate but in the one at my hospital, the nurses sit in pods directly facing their patients. They can see monitors and all the monitors are linked so if there is an alarm, everyone can see it. In your pod is all the supplies you need so you don't ever have to leave. Therefore, there is always a nurse around and they are constantly in the rooms. Those babies are never left unattended. And to repeat, CNAs, techs, Care Partners, whatever you call them DO NOT ASSESS!!! EVER!!! Even if they are nursing students. It is out of their scope of practice. If something is abnormal, they report to the primary RN and then DOCUMENT that they relayed the information.

Good luck in school. None of the schools I went to based admission soley on GPA though.
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No. 29
from mncna08
Old Jun 17, 2009, 04:58 AM

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Really, why do you even care what her g.p.a is. I don't like tudes that come across as someone thinking they are superior. Why not be nice and show her the ropes, my word.
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