Euthanasia/Spirituality - page 6

I am a member of this board, but rarely post. I have a few questions that I would like to ask. How many of you believe in Physician Assisted Suicide? I believe that a patient should have that right... Read More

  1. by   BBelle
    ohbet, agian I completely agree with you. I think people use religion to base much of their beliefs. And for some that is great, but when it comes to a person's life (one who is terminal) they should be the one who ultimately makes the decision about there life and how they want to live out the remainder of their lives.
    A lot of patients do not have the financial means to continue going to the doctor and getting meds for their illness and pain, and a lot of them do not want to become a burden to their loved ones. So I believe that they should be able to end their lives as they see fit. They should be able to make one last important decision for themselves without any negative input from doctors or anyone else for that matter.
    I am not meaning to offend no one here, just having a good conversation with ohbet. Belle
  2. by   ohbet
    No time to post now,baby sitting a 2 year old who thinks she is running the show,sometimes shes right. I want to reply to all these recent posts when I get a break.
  3. by   maizey
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by sbic56
    [B]

    About the other side. Definitely something there. My sister and I had an experience that is impossible for us to discount or forget. About 2 hours before Mom stopped breathing, my sister and I simultaneously felt a never before experienced serene calm that lasted about 5 minutes. The room got noticably cooler, we both became silent. It felt like there was an opening of some sort above us. We both felt an unbelievable and never before experienced sense of love and peace consume us. Slowly, the room warmed and were able to talk to one another again. It was then, we then realized we had both felt the very same thing. I believe that is when Mom really died.

    I had chills reading about this. Thanks for sharing with us. I do not believe in physician assisted suicide. I believe as many have said that the patient has the right to refuse further or any treatment, if they are of sound mind when making that decision. I believe that they should be made comfortable and as pain free as possible right to the end no matter what the respirations if the end is imminent anyway.
  4. by   sbic56
    I just thought of a paculiar analogy on this. Assisted suicide used to ease death along is kind of like using an epidural to ease the pain of labor. Like epidurals, not everyone warrants or wants one, but it should at least be available.
  5. by   Jenny P
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by BBelle

    A lot of patients do not have the financial means to continue going to the doctor and getting meds for their illness and pain, and a lot of them do not want to become a burden to their loved ones. So I believe that they should be able to end their lives as they see fit. They should be able to make one last important decision for themselves without any negative input from doctors or anyone else for that matter.

    BBelle, are you saying that those are good reasons to end their lives? Just wondering, because neither of those reasons sound like good reasons to me. Those reasons sound as though the person is very depressed to me.

    I don't have the answers, just looking for clarification.
  6. by   ceecel.dee
    sbic - good analogy!
  7. by   sbic56
    maizey
    It was a beautiful experience for my sister and I. I was just very happy for Mom that she went quite quickly. We should all be so fortunate, but if we aren't...well you know. Choices in, choices out.
  8. by   BBelle
    Maizy, I too have had a few experiences with the Other Side. My father passed away when I was four years old. About five years later I was going to bed one night. I remember that I was getting snuggly and I was laying on my right side when out of no where I felt a warm hand on my left shoulder. It lasted only a couple of seconds, but at that time it felt like eterninty. Iwas frightened. It was only years later did I know that it was my daddy.
    Another time, just this last summer I heard bath water running. It was around 1:30-2:00 in the morning. I got out of bed to see what it was. I walked into the bathroom where the sound was comming from. Everyone in the house was out like a light. I walked into the bathroom and cautiously pulled the shower curtain back to find the bath water running. I am a light sleeper, so I know that it had just started. I went to bed with a smile on my face because I knew that it was my daddy. It very well could have been my husband's mother, but I believe that it was someone for me because I was the only one who heard it.
    I firmly believe in The Other Side. I believe in Spirit Guides, ghosts, spirits, astral travel, reincarnation,(if we choose to) and other supernatural/spirittual things.
    Last edit by BBelle on Aug 13, '02
  9. by   BBelle
    Jenny, no that is not what I meant.
    What I'm trying to say is (if a patient is terminally ill with no hope of recovery) that many people do not have insurance and they have to pay for their doctor visits and prescriptions out of there own pocket. For those people whose situation is hopeless and they are no longer able to take care of themselves, they may choose euthanasia, because they are not financially able to pay for those things that may alleviate their pain or keep them on this earth a little longer.
    As we all know many patients do nat take their prescribed meds beacuse they can not afford it.
    I did not mean that these are good reasons for these patients to die. I'm sorry if it came across that way.
  10. by   Jenny P
    Thanks for the reply, BBelle.

    I think that the cost of health care these days is ridiculous and it bothers me when I hear such things. I mean, an older friend of mine was talking the other day and she can't afford the co-pays on her and her hubby's meds! She has insurance too! But that's another topic for another thread.

    The idea of what the elderly have to pay for health care (on their fixed incomes) should not be the deciding factor for euthanasia-- or to go on living.
  11. by   chicory
    I dissaprove of the way patients are made in-hospital Hospice patients, and then it's left to us the floor nurses to care for them and the family and help them greive. Hospice only comes after the patient dies. It seems like Hospice in name only. I feel like I'm not able to truely be as comforting or helpful to them as I would like to be because of other patients, the workload , etc. I wish that they would just not even have in-hospital Hospice. DNR yes, but let them go to Hospice House and have a decent death.
    P.S. My mother died with Home Hospice helping us and she was able to die with her family and pets around her. The nurses were very professional and caring.
    I often feel guilty when people are dying and I'm so damn busy that I feel like I'm not helping these people grieve or helping the patient as much as I would love to.
    Oh well...it's turning into a vent, so I'd better stop.
    I also beleive in an after life, and am not afraid to die--just afraid to die in pain and fear.
    Also, in the last few years it seems everyone I have to code is elderly and pitiful. We truly do extend suffering too too far.
  12. by   ohbet
    On a personal note: I dont want to experience Alzheimers Disease,even in some instances you no longer feel anything,late stages. I dont want to not realize who I am. I read this story about a man who no longer knows who he is, everday he leaves the clinic and cheerfully goes into town ,he has a number on his back,his telephone number,then he goes to a coffe shop and comes back merry, I dont want to see myself wandering thru town one day to the amusement of my survivors.God help us
    Last edit by ohbet on Aug 14, '02
  13. by   maizey
    sbic56- good analogy with the epidural. This topic like so many others in medicine is and probably will always be one with varied opinions by medical personnel. I am glad that I believe that there is more than what we have here otherwise dying would be very very scary. I've seen folks die very peacefully and then others that fight it to the last second, just makes one wonder and go hmmm.

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