Ethics Violation-Would you remain silent or challenge the system? - page 8

Today I was labeled a "whistleblower and tattletail because I, along with numerous other students, witnessed a table of individuals cheating on an exam in our Anatomy and Physiology class which is a... Read More

  1. by   Redlady
    Quote from reebok
    Extreme rare examples of someone who is caring for a family and didn't have time to study as an excuse for cheating. How extreme? How rare? Everyone is not living the American dream with a white pickett fence surrounding a 4 bedroom house, 2 cars, staying in a nice safe upscale neighborhood. Living w/o any financial worries. Living w/o worrying if there going to make ends-meet. That's exactly whats wrong with suburbia today. Are u from Orange county or from somewhere over the rainbow where the things that u dare to dream really do come true?

    For ex: After hurricane Katrina, the break of the levees and etc. A man who could not swim was hanging on a dead body as though it was a floatation device. The dead body was someone's father, nephew, cousin, son, uncle, etc. The family member would probably say, " Oh my God not uncle Louiee" Why is he hanging on him like that, get off! (crying) Its unethical but desperate times call for desperate measures. You have to be a survivor.
    I am absolutely astonished that someone would actually DEFEND cheating.

    There is an enormous difference between clinging to a dead body to survive and cheating on an exam.

    You are correct. Not everyone has the perfect circumstances. For many of us, school is a struggle. You pinch and save, you apply for any money you can get your hands on, you see your kids less and less, you have to quit jobs, etc. But, that is a CHOICE you are making. NO ONE is FORCING you to go to school. If you make that choice, then you are obligated to 'play by the rules'.

    The students in this senario made the choice to cheat on the exam. Perhaps they didn't have time to study. Maybe their kid got sick, their house burnt down, they went into labor, they got into a MVA, their mother died, they got put in jail, they had to work extra hours or lose their job (or lose their house) etc, etc, etc. All good excuses - but excuses none the less. The point is, people make the decsion to enter into a school program with the inherent knowledge of both their circumstances (ie: single mom with extremely limited finances) and as we all know life does happen (eg: getting into a car accident, losing your job, getting pregnant). None of those things are justifiers to skirt the system.

    As everyones grandmother has said at one point or another - "Who said life is fair?" It isn't. But regardless of your circumstances Cheating isn't the equalizer.
  2. by   rninme
    It's really very simple...it is NEVER alright to cheat.

    Karma will catch up to you....and it won't be pleasant when it happens.

    To the OP....good for you! We don't need cheaters as our future nurses....sure don't want them taking care of me or mine! The nursing program that I attended had a very strict honor code....violate it and you were gone.

    Another poster...sorry this is a long thread....used my Grandmother's favorite saying....Winners never cheat, and cheaters never win! Another one of her favorites....cheaters never prosper! Grandma was a wise lady....I'll continue to live by her example instead of another that was offered here. My THESIS: Cheating = Temptation....the opportunity to choose between right or wrong.
  3. by   gr8rnpjt
    Quote from BSNtobe2009
    That's silly. Saying that you can justify cheating because if you don't you'll lose your house and car? How is cheating on a test going to help her pay her bills that are IMMEDIATELY DUE? It doesn't!

    Tests do not test your ability to understand the material, it tests your ability to be able to RECALL it with accuracy and use the information you learned and put it to application.

    You can't cheat on the state boards, so you can't cheat in school.

    I just wonder how many slots are taken up every year with students who cheated their way through pre-reqs only to drop out because they can't cheat their way through clinicals....when someone else that didn't cut corners should have taken their place.

    There is NEVER as justifyable reason to cheat. Ever!

    I went to a school that very often tested the integrity of students, as we had an extremely strong honor system. The Dean would drop a $100 bill randomly on campus in the morning, and was always able to go by and pick it up at the end of the day. No one dared touch it.

    Um, could you share the name and address of the school, and is this particular Dean still randomly dropping $100 bills around campus?
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from Angie O'Plasty, RN
    I believe that it's OK to be proud of an achievement, and not cheating when all the cards are stacked against you is an achievement.

    This is so well-said. Bore repeating IMO.
  5. by   ebony2
    Kudo's to you. It does my heart good to know that integrity is alive and active. Hold on to it because wyou will probably have to go to that well again, both in your professional and private life!!!!!!!!!!
  6. by   ortess1971
    Quote from reebok
    Extreme rare examples of someone who is caring for a family and didn't have time to study as an excuse for cheating. How extreme? How rare? Everyone is not living the American dream with a white pickett fence surrounding a 4 bedroom house, 2 cars, staying in a nice safe upscale neighborhood. Living w/o any financial worries. Living w/o worrying if there going to make ends-meet. That's exactly whats wrong with suburbia today. Are u from Orange county or from somewhere over the rainbow where the things that u dare to dream really do come true?

    At least I can say that u put that cheating is not 100% factor in determinating if someone will be a bad Nurse. Good I'm getting some progress. But the risks are higher that they will behave unethically. Question: By how much? Is it an 30% increase? What?
    Today's lesson: What you consider unethical may not be unethical for another person. It doesn't make you right and them wrong.

    For ex: After hurricane Katrina, the break of the levees and etc. A man who could not swim was hanging on a dead body as though it was a floatation device. The dead body was someone's father, nephew, cousin, son, uncle, etc. The family member would probably say, " Oh my God not uncle Louiee" Why is he hanging on him like that, get off! (crying) Its unethical but desperate times call for desperate measures. You have to be a survivor.

    Last, I want to know what nursing school did you attend to in order to even think that an indivdual could graduate by not knowing nothing. Please tell me so the whole forum can Know not to apply to that nursing school. Wait a minute that may be some type of violaton relating to confidentiality, defamation, slander or whatever. I guess that's just your little secret.
    Looks like someone cheated on one too many english exams......:icon_roll Try as you might, you are not going to convince most people on here that cheating is OK. Most professors are not tolerant of cheaters-I saw one girl get caught and she was booted from the class. This is how it should be-no excuses, no "I had a bad childhood" drama etc. Many people on this forum have had bad things happen to them. The difference is, they CHOSE to learn from them not use them as an excuse. How can you equate nursing school and a disaster? If nursing school is that traumatic to get through the honest way, maybe that person doesn't belong there. PS..I'm sure my first sentence of this post will be edited, which iMHO, is interesting, since in your posts you have made personal attacks against quite a few people.
  7. by   ladyinred667
    Quote from reebok
    She could loose her car, house, fuure, kids and mind.
    Let's say the cheaters were expelled b/c you reported that incident. She was expelled and lost her Faith. Was it worth that woman's children quality of life. Was it worth her living the rest of her life struggling to take care of herself.
    Prioritize: Is reporting the cheaters for a pre-req test that important?
    Put the blame where it belongs. Was it worth it for her to cheat knowing it could cost her her car, house, future, kids and mind?

    BTW, I really don't know how a bad grade on one test could cause that sort of chain reaction. Also, there is such a thing as talking to your professor and explaining the situation rather than going the dishonest route.
  8. by   reebok
    Last Post!

    I understand what you all are saying but you are all misunderstanding me.
    CHEATING IS NOT "OKAY" EVEN UNDER EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. IS IT 100% NECESSARY FOR HER TO REPORT THE CHEATERS OF A PREREQUISITE TEST? Most say yes it is important. One nurse even boldly declared that cheating on ONE PreREQ test will make you an unethical and incompetent nurse in clinical situations.

    The original post was should she go report to the upper authorities. My answer is NO!!! Why b/c it's a waste of time. The nursing school should be able to weed out who is appropiate and not. They dont need her help.
    Unless it deals with direct potential for patient harm or a threat to the school's reputation it is not worth the time. Well at least my time.

    So cheating is not okay. But giving the circumstances. Professor who doesnt care. Prerequisite. No life or death situation. Why waste Calories and time walking to some upper authority. The upper authority may even look at you like why is he/she wasting my time. There is more pressing stuff I have to deal with right now. I just dont see how you can relate cheating on one test automatically making a nurse unethical & incompetent. Trust me the cheater would not be able to make it through nursing school.
  9. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    If we took that "waste of time" attitude with things like this all the time, the results could, and would, be deadly
  10. by   gabby66
    I too am in nursing school and have seen people cheat. I was upset because I study so hard and they get away with cheating. When I told some people I work with they said let them go on and cheat, they won't learn anything that way and then when they go to take state boards where they're unable to cheat it will all come out in the wash. They are only hurting themselves in the long run.
  11. by   Miss Chybil RN
    I'm not sure what it is exactly, but something, somewhere in this discussion gives me the idea somebody who is participating in it cheats.

    Perhaps it's just my imagination...
  12. by   gauge14iv
    I often wonder if someone signs up as a new user under a new screen name just for the sake of posting uhm... stuff like reebok? to get a rise out of people on purpose.

    It's outlandish enough that I would totally believe that.
  13. by   IMustBeCrazy
    I'll break it down for you.

    1) It is NOT OK for someone to cheat on a pre-req test/post-req test/IQ test/<insert test type here> test. Spin the situation however you want: They're on their deathbed, they are starving... blah blah blah, cheating is cheating and it is WRONG.

    2) It is NOT OK for someone (in this case many people) to sit by and tacitly condone OVERT OR COVERT CHEATING.

    3) I can't think of one university/college etc that doesn't have an HONOR CODE. By enrolling in said institution, you are agreeing to participate in this code by 1) not cheating and 2) reporting cheating when you observe it. Those that don't report can also be tossed out on their ear.

    4) It is NEVER OK for a teacher to ignore a student (in this case many students) who state that there was cheating going on during an exam.

    That crystal enough?

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