EEK! There's a MAN in my room! - page 10

At my facility, some residents have tried to avoid care from employees who are African American as a matter of policy. Usually, they say, "I don't want a working with me!" When this happens, they... Read More

  1. by   azhiker96
    Quote from Natkat
    I see this in school during L&D clinicals. None of the patients will allow a male nursing student near them, but don't have a problem with females. What I'm wondering is why is it okay for them to have a male doctor or med student, but not a male nursing student? Aren't we all professionals here?
    When I was in my L&D clinicals I had the same problem on one day when my nurse would go ask the patient if it were alright for me to be in the room. (I don't think that nurse was comfortable with male nurses in L&D) I was never refused though if I had the opportunity to introduce myself to the patient and ask permission. A professional bearing and showing respect to the patient goes a long way.
    I work in PACU now and frequently have to check peripads for drainage, insert/dc foleys, check low anterior incisions/bandages, or assist my patients with bedpans. I always explain exactly what needs to be done and am super careful to limit exposure. In 8 months I've only had one patient request a female nurse and I was happy to find one. I have the luxury of plenty of coworkers and can easily find one to help. My female coworkers have also called upon me to help male patients with voiding or catheterization. To me, that's part of patient care. Doing what we can to help put the patient at ease.
    Granted, if there were no one else around then the patient would either have to let me do the procedure or refuse it. However, a full bladder can make pretty convincing arguments.
  2. by   elizabells
    58flyer, I know nothing will ever change what was done to you, and for that I am truly sorry. I will tell you, for what it is worth, that they aren't teaching this any more, or at least not at the school I went to. We were taught to remain professional, withdraw from the room if needed, and give the patient some time to collect himself. If there was no need to specifically deal with the penis itself, we were to just continue on with what we were doing and essentially ignore the situation. If it happens, it happens. The only time I really had to directly, um, handle a male appendage in NS was on a paraplegic gentleman, so it never was an issue for me.

    Again, I am so sorry for what that nurse did to you, and ashamed that our profession ever taught its nurses to harm a man for a normal, involuntary physical reaction.
  3. by   platon20
    Quote from Natkat
    I see this in school during L&D clinicals. None of the patients will allow a male nursing student near them, but don't have a problem with females. What I'm wondering is why is it okay for them to have a male doctor or med student, but not a male nursing student? Aren't we all professionals here?
    Trust me, they dont like male doctors or male med students either.

    On the L&D service, all males are screwed regardless of their position.
  4. by   Tweety
    Quote from platon20
    Trust me, they dont like male doctors or male med students either.

    On the L&D service, all males are screwed regardless of their position.
    Yes, and this includes the father of their child. There are a lot of women that are pretty much down on the entire gender while they are birthing, because they are the one's cursed with pain monthly, for nine loooong miserable months, and excrutiating pain during birth, while we just stand there and watch. Woe is the poor father who doesn't say the right thing while the mother of his child is birthing.
    Last edit by Tweety on Nov 23, '07
  5. by   platon20
    Do patients have the RIGHT to request a female nurse/provider? Yes

    Do patients have the RIGHT have their request granted? NO.

    Do patients have the right to refuse any handling by a non-female? YES

    Some of you guys are getting confused between rights and privileges. If a hospital decides to comply with a patient's request for a female, thats a privilege, not a right. You cant sue a hospital because they didnt give you a female provider. You can sue them if a male nurse touches you without your consent.

    Hospitals are free to tell the patient that they wont comply with any gender requests and tell them to go elsewhere, even in the emergency room. EMTALA laws cover only the provision of emergency services, it says nothing about requiring the hospitals to provide females to all those who request them.
  6. by   Atheos
    Quote from platon20
    Do patients have the RIGHT to request a female nurse/provider? Yes

    Do patients have the RIGHT have their request granted? NO.

    Do patients have the right to refuse any handling by a non-female? YES

    Some of you guys are getting confused between rights and privileges. If a hospital decides to comply with a patient's request for a female, thats a privilege, not a right. You cant sue a hospital because they didnt give you a female provider. You can sue them if a male nurse touches you without your consent.

    Hospitals are free to tell the patient that they wont comply with any gender requests and tell them to go elsewhere, even in the emergency room. EMTALA laws cover only the provision of emergency services, it says nothing about requiring the hospitals to provide females to all those who request them.
    Interesting.
  7. by   leslie :-D
    either way, kmc, time to move on.
    when one believes in their principle, they don't require validation.
    so please, let it go.

    leslie
    Last edit by Tweety on Nov 23, '07 : Reason: x
  8. by   EmmaG
    Quote from Tweety
    Woe is the poor father who doesn't say the right thing while the mother of his child is birthing.
    My daughter had a long, wicked labor. But she was very stoic, nary a peep out of her. I only heard her scream once when, in the midst of 4+ hours of pushing, Dad leaned over and said, "I'm hungry, mind if I go get a snack?"




    I can't repeat her response
  9. by   Tweety
    Sorry to offend those posters above, but this discussion is now over and we're moving on as is suggested above. Thanks.
    Last edit by Tweety on Nov 23, '07

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