'Dumbing Down of Healthcare'

  1. Hello all,

    Is it just me or does there seem to be a 'dumbing down' of healthcare that seems to be taking place in nursing and allied health schools across the country? I am taking my pre-reqs at a local community college before I start my BSN in May and I am shocked as to how many people in my Anatomy class are failing! The scary part is they are all pre-nursing! This concerns me because when I grow older, I would like to know that I am recieving the best healthcare possible from people who can handle the mental rigors of modern medicine!

    Perhaps I sound snooty, but it seems like more and more of these schools churn out nursing graduates who should have never considered the field in the first place!

    Thoughts or comments?

    Rhiannon
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  2. 39 Comments

  3. by   Achoo!
    well if they are failing, then there is no way they can move forward right? I wouldn't call it dumbing down. Some call it weeding out. If you don't know the material, you won't pass, and also if you don't know your stuff, there is no way you will pass boards, so I disagree with your statement.
  4. by   Ned the Red
    If the students are all failing it doesn't sould like the program is dumbing down at all. It would be dumbing down if they were making it through the class. Or, am I missing something here?
  5. by   Spidey's mom
    Might it be our public school system is broken and sending unprepared students to college?

    seph
  6. by   rhiannonwolf
    I apologize for the confusion, perhaps I should elaborate a bit. In a class of 35 people, there are 5 A's, 3 B's, and the rest are C's D's and F's. I am not saying that anatomy is easy and that a C is a bad grade, but to me its a little disturbing that the vast majority of the class is either average or below it. Perhaps I opened up a Pandora's Box with this topic, but I just want to know if other people have experienced similar situations in their classes.

    Rhiannon
  7. by   orrnlori
    Yeah, I agree with the others. It appears to me that the system is indeed working as it should. They are called weed out classes and that's what they do. There are always lots of pre-nursing students, and then about 35-50% become nursing students, and then about 50% of those go on to graduate and then about 85-90% of those pass the boards. Seems to me that's the way it's suppose to work.
  8. by   Achoo!
    Quote from rhiannonwolf
    I apologize for the confusion, perhaps I should elaborate a bit. In a class of 35 people, there are 5 A's, 3 B's, and the rest are C's D's and F's. I am not saying that anatomy is easy and that a C is a bad grade, but to me its a little disturbing that the vast majority of the class is either average or below it. Perhaps I opened up a Pandora's Box with this topic, but I just want to know if other people have experienced similar situations in their classes.

    Rhiannon

    we have had 1/3 of our class drop, and some are still hanging by a thread. It's not an easy class, but better people realize now how tough it will be, than to invest 2 years of nursing classes and end up failing in the end I guess. It's been a decision maker for a few people.
  9. by   GracefulRN
    Just because there pre-nursing students who cannot handle the material does not mean that nursing is "dumbing down". Nursing, is a very attractive career and so it isn't surprising to me that many people would want to attempt to become nurses, even if they really belong somewhere else. Unfortunately, few people realize what is involved in becoming a nurse, so there are alot of people in(at least the pre-req) nursing courses who think nursing is an easy way to make $$$$$$. But let not your heart be troubled, those people who can't cut it will never pass their boards.

    Cheers
  10. by   rhiannonwolf
    The words 'dumbing down' may be the wrong choice for this thread. And I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but perhaps I will when I tell you this story. Where I live there is a commercial for a technical college with a nursing program. The girl that enrolled in the school is giving her testimony on TV about how she was sitting at her regular job one day looking through the employment ads when she came across this college's advertisement. I will quote her when she says, 'I was tired of doing the same old thing, and then I saw nursing, and I thought, hmm, I'll give it a try.' Obviously she enrolled in the school's program but what she said at the end of the commercial really scared me. She said 'Anyone can do this job, anyone!' To me, I do not agree with this statement at all! Not just anyone can become a nurse! It is one of the most mentally challenging career fields out there!
    It just scares me when schools like that advertise that anyone off the street can become a healthcare worker.

    My .02

    Rhiannon
  11. by   GracefulRN
    :angryfire Well that just chaps my*** :angryfire

    As if nursing isn't devalued enough...grrrrrrr....hope those people who wrote the add get their just rewards.

    I still don't think that unqualified people will pass their boards, but it would be nice if the people who think that "anyone can do this job" could see just where they would be without QUALITY nurses.
  12. by   orrnlori
    Obviously a bad commercial.

    To the other point. I work for the hospital attached to the flagship state university and I believe there's something like 8,000 incoming freshmen coming in every year. The graduation rate is somewhere around 55% within four years. Every September the parking lots are over flowing, and every May they are half filled. There's weeding out going on everywhere for all kinds of reasons.
  13. by   Tweety
    Why are you suprised the vast majority of people are average. That's what average means.

    But I hear you, I wish the future health care providers would be more motivated to make higher grades.

    Good luck in school.
  14. by   llg
    Quote from stevielynn
    Might it be our public school system is broken and sending unprepared students to college?
    seph

    It's funny you should say that. There is an article (available for free online) in the current issue of American Educator called, "It's Time To Tell the Kids: If You Don't Do Well in High School, You Won't Do Well in College (or on the Job)"

    It makes the point that society has come to think that taking college classes is a right -- that everyone should be allowed to go to college. Therefore, they are not taking high school seriously enough. Instead of getting a proper foundation for advanced, college-level work, students are drifting through high school without really working hard intellectually. Then they either flunk courses in college ... or have to spend a lot of time and money taking remedial classes ... or the colleges have to "dummy down" ... etc.

    The article is available at:
    http://www.aft.org/american_educator...llthekids.html

    I taught an undergraduate course once and was appalled at the level of my students. This was a junior year course of a 4-year BSN program. Several could not write a paragraph with reasonable grammar and punctuation. One told me she had never been in any library before and had no idea how to go about finding information. (The library was in the same building as the nursing school.) etc.

    There are lots of people in college today who should not be there. That's why they have those "weeding out" courses.

    llg

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