Dropping Magnet - page 4

by PMFB-RN

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I found this interesting. One of this regions largest health system's flagship hospital has dropped it's Magnet certification. They have been certified since 2004 and was the first hospital in the state, outside the state... Read More


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    I always saw magnet as a marketing tool than anything else. If Magnet was really about better patient care and better nursing, the requirements would be completely different.

    I've worked at both magnet and non magnet hospitals and never saw the difference in my day to day work or the patient care.
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    Care is deteriorating, because many of the people in charge of MAGNET status are MSN nurses or higher who came from another program like Business or something, and they got an accelerated degree in nursing. These people don't have the nursing experiences of someone who started at the bottom, like a CNA, LPN or low-level RN. They get the higher education, and hospitals hire them for management positions, or even higher than that. If you are being directed by someone who doesn't know your job, too many changes are made, and care drops. Nurses are unhappy with their work, so they go into other areas like community health, and you get a lot of just out-of-school nurses training other newer nurses. Some people think just because you have a higher degree, you're smarter and are easier to train.
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    I am 'justavolunteer'. The hospital I volunteer at was magnet for 3 years & recently dropped it. They have recently announced layoffs, reduced, more pts. per nurse & CNA etc. A big part of magnet is asking nurses how they feel about their jobs. With all that's happend recently, the magnet attempt would have been dead out of the starting gate.
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    Re: the poster who commented that ...The Institute of X recommended Magnet...

    Dontcha know, that EVERYBODY does understand, that anything healthcare and esp. Hospital network-related that has the name of: The Institute of (____________) is totally made up marketing too?! I mean, seriously?!
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    Quote from BonnieBorcyk
    Care is deteriorating, because many of the people in charge of MAGNET status are MSN nurses or higher who came from another program like Business or something, and they got an accelerated degree in nursing. These people don't have the nursing experiences of someone who started at the bottom, like a CNA, LPN or low-level RN. They get the higher education, and hospitals hire them for management positions, or even higher than that. If you are being directed by someone who doesn't know your job, too many changes are made, and care drops. Nurses are unhappy with their work, so they go into other areas like community health, and you get a lot of just out-of-school nurses training other newer nurses. Some people think just because you have a higher degree, you're smarter and are easier to train.
    You took the words out of my mouth. Anymore when I hear MSN, I usually shudder at all the stupid, pointless, and meaningless things that will change in a hospital then watch it crumble because those masters prepared nurses that couldn't run a code if they had to dont do pt care therefore cannot manage it.
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    perhaps they realized they could discriminate against ASN/ADNs without the designation.
    Speaking as a nursing student on the outside looking in, it appears Magnet status is exactly what is states a STATUS nothing changes on the inside of these hospitals aside from the fortunate nurses who get there BSNs paid for or reimbursed.
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    When we first received Magnet status, it really did improves my things at our hospital, but we also had a new and very strong VP of nursing who was very much on our side, visible and always there to support her staff. She retired about a year ago and the changes are very apparent and on a downhill slide. Also, the
    Money involved is becoming an issue, we are a county hospital and that is money we really don't have.
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    It is a theory of mine that Magnet was started from a thesis of an academic nurse preparing for their doctoral prep..True, the ANCC "owns" the copyright (and financial incentive) on magnet recognition but really where did it originate? I've looked on the website and i can't tell.

    It is ridiculous to me that the efforts to minimize the efforts of ADN vs BSN prepared nurses are not sufficient for quality bedside care. Its another hierarchy in the quest to create professional nursing autonomy from physicians and it has the nursing profession caught in a useless dialogue about which is better magnet or non magnet hospitals...

    at the end of the day, i just see many different types of nursing care delivery models...whatever your organization chooses to focus on as the model of the decade----fine. what does not fade away though trends in healthcare is your personal professional practice. Every licensed nurse in this country is responsible for their own definition of professional excellence and so if the place i work has magnet or not---whatever, because I own the exclusive rights to my nursing care-thats what really matters.

    I've often wished that managers of nursing units were required to work a 24 hours per 0.9FTE...lack of direct bedside work lets one easily forget the issues that impact your fellow nurses.
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    Quote from Flyboy17
    You took the words out of my mouth. Anymore when I hear MSN, I usually shudder at all the stupid, pointless, and meaningless things that will change in a hospital then watch it crumble because those masters prepared nurses that couldn't run a code if they had to dont do pt care therefore cannot manage it.
    I have been a RN since 2004. I am getting my MSN because I want to improve the system. with people like you it will certainly be a challenge. Maybe you could go to school and use your excellent skills to help instead of tearing others down?
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    Quote from gypsyd8
    I have been a RN since 2004. I am getting my MSN because I want to improve the system. with people like you it will certainly be a challenge. Maybe you could go to school and use your excellent skills to help instead of tearing others down?
    I worked beside, I advocate for the nursing population, and I got my MSN so I could advocate MORE for nurses.

    I think the issue most RNs have with MSN/NP etc etc is that they don't have much, if any bedside experience. Why? Because they are scared to do bedside, or they hate it so much they can't stay there. I think the bigger picture in all of this is that each nurse needs to do what they can to improve the state of their own existence which maybe, just maybe, will improve the environment for those so desperate to leave.

    Gypsy I think you are spot on in your endeavors, and I wish more seasoned nurses would get on track with this, especially with scholarships and reimbursement programs out there. For instance, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation is looking to support 100 PhD nurses in 2014. Full tuition.

    Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Announces $20 Million Grant to Support Nurse PhD Scientists - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
    Not trying to derail this thread into another battle of degree vs. degree, but I have already voiced my concerns over the original topic.

    Tait
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