Dr. denigrates NPs, cites low IQ etc

  1. https://nurse.org/articles/doctor-ca...oners-minions/
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  2. 24 Comments

  3. by   LovingLife123
    Looks like a lot of backlash.
  4. by   AJJKRN
    Hacked huh...

    I wonder where accountability falls in his patient practice...
  5. by   KatieMI
    Quote from AJJKRN
    Hacked huh...

    I wonder where accountability falls in his patient practice...
    He is anesthesiologist in Florida, where CRNAs are not "independent" and accountability theoretically falls onto MD/DO provider:

    CRNA Independent Practice Map | NCSBN

    Otherwise, it is yet another example of a human being using inappropriately three wonderful gifts of nature and history once bestowed upon him, namely: the gift of speech, the power of mind, and the First Amendmend of The Constitution of the United States of America.
  6. by   Orion81
    I'll never understand how one can dismiss another's education. These physicians that demean NPs have not sat in the classroom of NP students. They have not shadowed NP student's clinical rotations. Therefore, they have no clue the depth of knowledge and experience NPs have.

    Same with the LPNs who think their license equates to an RN and should be able to challenge the non-existent federal board of nursing. They have not taken the extra classes to know what adfitional knowledge RNs obtain.

    NPs ans physicians learn the same material but with a different model to medicine.

    And the question of, "Who would you prefer to care for your family?" Hmmm lets see. The experienced NP who already had years of experience even before obtaining his/her NP. Or the new grad intern or resident with minimal ecperience, still having to rely on the nurses who teach them? I personally see a NP.
  7. by   prnqday
    The doctor needs to get off his high horse.
    I will say that alot of NPs don't have alot of bedside experience, so the above comment is not always true. I would love to have a NP with bedside experience over a doc worth none.
  8. by   Orion81
    Quote from prnqday
    The doctor needs to get off his high horse.
    I will say that alot of NPs don't have alot of bedside experience, so the above comment is not always true. I would love to have a NP with bedside experience over a doc worth none.
    Never said all of them do. I do realize there are RN to MSN programs out there in which some students focus mainly on their studies instead of working. That being said, its getting really annoying people automatically thinking hospital or bedside when speaking of nurses. You realize other fields exist right? And that many physicians themselves never work in a hospital either, but other areas of medicine?
  9. by   Cool Nurse, BSN, RN
    Florida Doctor Calls Nurse Practitioners "Minions" With "Low IQs"

    What do you think of Dr.. Glener remarks about nurse practioners?

    I think it's really sad and pathetic that he feels threatened by nurse practiones . That he doesn't value all of the great health care nurses have provided to patients for centuries. I have been reading more about nursing history and this doctor is just continuing the oppression of nurses done by the MD's and hospital systems in the mid 1800's and throughout the 1900's. They fear nurses becoming independent practioners and possibly encroaching on their income so they try to keep us down. We must not let this happen again.
  10. by   IsabelK
    ~Looks down at self: nope, not short (okay, I am short), not capsule shaped, and not (thank god or I'd be having my LFTs checked) yellow.~

    On a more serious note:

    I know NPs I wouldn't go to, just like I know MDs I wouldn't go to. I know NPs who can't think their way outside a box with a big hole cut in its side. The same is true of MDs. Oh, and PAs, social workers, psychologists, etc, etc, etc...No profession is immune from the bad eggs.

    But there are studies consistently showing NP outcomes to be as good or better than MDs when doing the same work, especially in primary care, family care, and internal medicine specialties and sub specialties. I'm not at home right now, but I wrote a paper about it in my DNP program and it hasn't changed. The outcomes indicate that NPs can and do provide strong, solid healthcare. In order to do that, an individual NP has to be bright, engaged, and know when to get help. This is (or should be true) of any healthcare provider-none of us can know everything. I am very, very good at what I do, but I am not, for example, a specialist in nephrology. I get help for that. Getting help and admitting I don't know something doesn't make me a minion or stupid.

    Part of the reason we-as nurses-still face these attitudes is the lack of consistency across the country for LPN, RN, and APRN education. We visibly argue amongst ourselves. We are not cohesive in our message. Unfortunately, if we don't clean up our own mess first, we're still going to be facing these attitudes.
  11. by   traumaRUs
    Hey guys read on:

    Updated 10/20/17 - 4:08 pm PST

    Dr. David Glener reached out to Nurse.org regarding this article stating the following:

    "I left my laptop unattended and open to my Doximity page. Somebody thought it would be 'funny' to post inflammatory comments under my name. Not so funny...I contacted Doximity and the posts have been removed. My password has been changed."

    Dr. Glener went on to say that he had received threats of death, violence, and "horrible vitriol" left on the answering machine of this office. He said that his wife and children are quite distressed.

    Nurse.org would like to stress that we do not condone any threats of violence against Dr. Glener and would urge those who are upset by these comments to keep the discourse civil.

    We have updated the article to reflect the facts only and not any other suppositions.

    We have reached out to Dr. Glener for additional comment.

    Original Article Follows:

    A series of posts on the social media site, Doximity, has Dr. David Glener in hot water. The posts on the doctor's Doximity account appear to take issue with Nurse Practitioners being called 'Doctors' and has created a firestorm within the medical community.

    The posts appear to have been in response to the article, California Doesn't Have Enough Doctors And This Bad Law Isn't Helping. The article talks about the shortage of doctors in California and discusses how doctors are blocking a law from being passed that will expand the role of Nurse Practitioners.
  12. by   Jules A
    Best totally ignored. I have always felt our over the top outrage tends to solidify the assertions that we are a bunch of hysterical girls which is a shame in the instances where something really worthwhile is being considered.
  13. by   Julius Seizure
    I just wanted to thank you for writing "cites" instead of "sites" in the title of your post.
  14. by   traumaRUs
    You guys this isn't even a real issue - the doctor states he didn't write it and apologized.

    Merged two threads same topic

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