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  1. by   sanctuary
    Quote from Pageantnurse
    The problem that I see is that when it is legalized everyone with a doctor is going to suddenly have a "legitimate" reason for smoking out. GERD, Chronic Fatigue, Restless leg syndrome, bat wing boils etc... I'm sorry but I don't want my nurses and doctors to be hopped up on Mary Jane while working on me. Or my cops, EMT drivers, firemen, accountant, you name it. Once its legalized you will just open the floodgates for people who would never jeopardize their careers now that will start using. To pretend it will only be used for CA and MS patients and the like is naive at best.
    Medical MJ is legal in Oregon, and we don't have Nurses and Drs "Hopped up " while working. As a matter of fact, the criteria is strict, and it is probably easier to get it illegally than legally. Why would making it available to the very ill be an excuse for "people who would never use it" to suddenly start? I support medical MJ, don't use it, but think it is OK as long for anybody that wants to. Making it legal for someone with AIDS of MS or cancer doesn't make me want it.
  2. by   Conqueror+
    Quote from sanctuary
    Medical MJ is legal in Oregon, and we don't have Nurses and Drs "Hopped up " while working. As a matter of fact, the criteria is strict, and it is probably easier to get it illegally than legally. Why would making it available to the very ill be an excuse for "people who would never use it" to suddenly start? I support medical MJ, don't use it, but think it is OK as long for anybody that wants to. Making it legal for someone with AIDS of MS or cancer doesn't make me want it.
    As I stated my concern is not for people who "need it" my concern is the mentatlity that when something becomes legal that it becomes good or great even. The fact is Mj is a drug with long term side effects. Just like alcohol. Its legal but Ive worked detox/CD and the long term effects are horrendous. When it was illegal you had many who would not risk breaking the law just to indulge but once there was a legal way to obtain it they did . Since you say you don't want it you are obviously not the type of HC provider that I am referring to. Impaired nurses and Drs. are cropping up more and more and this will just be a way to get high and just get a script to cover it. To think otherwise is burying your head in the sand. No offense but do you live, work, or act as law enforcement in Oregon ?
  3. by   cmo421
    Quote from Pageantnurse
    The problem that I see is that when it is legalized everyone with a doctor is going to suddenly have a "legitimate" reason for smoking out. GERD, Chronic Fatigue, Restless leg syndrome, bat wing boils etc... I'm sorry but I don't want my nurses and doctors to be hopped up on Mary Jane while working on me. Or my cops, EMT drivers, firemen, accountant, you name it. Once its legalized you will just open the floodgates for people who would never jeopardize their careers now that will start using. To pretend it will only be used for CA and MS patients and the like is naive at best.
    Oh Please! Are all these people u mention drunk also? alcohol is legal and u have those that do and those that do not!


    My brother has MS,and he uses it for the pain. Less side effects then any of the ABC drugs they had him on and allows him to function and sleep so he can suppport his family.
  4. by   nyapa
    Yes! There should be access for those who need it! It should be regulated, I don't believe everyone should have access to it. But for those who find it helpful for palliation et al, most definitely!

    Has anyone ever heard of cannaboid psychosis? My friend developed this. Also, like every other drug, it can be abused. How many car accidents are caused by ppl who smoke and drive? But then again, what about drink and drive. And how many ppl are admitted to hospital with nicotine related illnesses?

    I hate the smell of the stuff and have personally never tried it. But I still stand by my belief that it does have a role in health, if used appropriately.
  5. by   nyapa
    Quote from Pageantnurse
    Impaired nurses and Drs. are cropping up more and more and this will just be a way to get high and just get a script to cover it. To think otherwise is burying your head in the sand.
    You are kidding? How many nurses and doctors come to work drunk? Pfft. I have only seen it once, and that person was deregistered. Whats the difference?Are you saying that the same ppl who don't drink before they come to work, will smoke marijuana before they come to work, thus being impaired in their employment?

    I don't smoke nicotine. I may drink a glass of alcohol once a month. And I can't stand the smell of marijuana, much less even contemplate using it.

    But your logic to me just doesn't add up. I am not pro providing marijuana to everyone, just to those who need it, just like any other medication.
  6. by   sanctuary
    Quote from Pageantnurse
    As I stated my concern is not for people who "need it" my concern is the mentatlity that when something becomes legal that it becomes good or great even. The fact is Mj is a drug with long term side effects. Just like alcohol. Its legal but Ive worked detox/CD and the long term effects are horrendous. When it was illegal you had many who would not risk breaking the law just to indulge but once there was a legal way to obtain it they did . Since you say you don't want it you are obviously not the type of HC provider that I am referring to. Impaired nurses and Drs. are cropping up more and more and this will just be a way to get high and just get a script to cover it. To think otherwise is burying your head in the sand. No offense but do you live, work, or act as law enforcement in Oregon ?

    Yes, That's how I know the Oregon Law. I am a nurse, in Forensic Mental Health, not law enforcement. We have had the law in effect for several years. Not one impaired professional de-certified because of it. If you do not want a drug to be used, find some logical and true reason to object to it.
  7. by   CritterLover
    i think that any adult should be able to smoke marijuana, for whatever reason.

    just as long as they arn't smoking it around me.

    i agree with those who say it isn't any worse than alcohol.

    actually, off the top of my head, i'd venture to guess that it is safer than alcohol. less physical damage to the person (alcohol's effect on liver, bleeding, etc vs marijuana smoke's effect on the lungs); and lets face it -- people who are smoking marijuana don't tend to get into bar fights.

    the risks of using while driving are probably similar.

    the problem that i see is that there currenlty isn't a test (blood or urine) to determine if one is currently impaired by marijuana use -- nothing similar to blood alcohol levels. sure, you can tell if they have smoked it within the past several days, but no way to tell if that glassy look on their face is because they smoked a joint before coming to work vs just needing that first cup of coffee.

    i would imagine that some sort of test could be developed, though it may be more difficult since thc is fat-soluble, rather than water-soluble. i doubt anyone has tried to work through the problems, though since as it currently stands, all you need is a test that shows if marijuana is in the person's system; not one that tells how much marijuana is in a person's system.

    at any rate, given the relativly low adverse health effects of marijuana (esp compared to many medications we give on a regular basis), it really amazes me that so many people are so insistent about keeping it from those who might benefit medically from its use.
  8. by   Conqueror+
    Quote from dar15
    You are kidding? How many nurses and doctors come to work drunk? Pfft. I have only seen it once, and that person was deregistered. Whats the difference?Are you saying that the same ppl who don't drink before they come to work, will smoke marijuana before they come to work, thus being impaired in their employment?

    Well I have been a travel nurse for years and have worked in several states and settings and I would LOVE to say that I have only seen one drunk nurse or Dr. The difference is that if you drink most people who get close to you will smell it on your breath. If they report you and you are drunk you're in trouble. But if you have a script for it you'd be fine. THATS my point. Believe it or not the fear of losing your license is actually large enough to restrain some people.

    Quote from dar15
    But your logic to me just doesn't add up. I am not pro providing marijuana to everyone, just to those who need it, just like any other medication.
    That's simply because I don't share your view. If you look back my position was never that people who genuinely need MJ for illness or pain management should not get it. Just don't be naive enough to think it will stop there. I wonder how liberal some on this thread would be if they knew their surgeon had just smoked out before they operated on them Hmmmm....
    Last edit by Conqueror+ on Oct 25, '07
  9. by   Alois Wolf
    [mouse]DISCLAIMER[/mouse]
    I must say that I do not endorse any illegal activity by anyone. This rant is solely my opinion and is not meant to be intended as an excuse to do anything that is potentially harmful to your person... legally or otherwise.
    [mouse]END[/mouse]

    :deadhorseIs it me, or has this issue been beaten to death? People will always smoke cannabis (the term "marijuana" bothers me. It's the Mexican slang for the plant Cannabis Sativa/Indica), whether the government wants them to or not. Illegal or not, there will always be "midnight tokers" out there in the world. Whether the self-righteous or libertarians voice their opinions until Armageddon... all of it, in the end, is pointless. The issue at hand, however is whether or not patients should have the right to be prescribed medical marijuana or not. My answer to that question is yes.

    I believe, however, that it is the prescriber's responsibility to, well... prescribe responsibly. There are a lot of risks involved with the legalization of medical marijuana<--sic), but I don't think there have been enough seriously unbiased studies on the benefits of THC to make any honest, educated decisions. It does make you hungry. It does make you giddy and it does take the pain away... but until this fallacy, which is sometimes referred to as "The War on Drugs" is completely re-hauled there will be no hope for both those who are against and for legalization of drugs for any number of reasons.

    If anything, this so-called "war" is promoting drug use more than it is controlling it. The more you tell your child not to do something the more likely they are to do it. Honestly, though I am not a parent, I would rather have my child experiment with cannabis than say... oh I dunno... Adderall, Oxycontin (or any opioid for that matter), DXM, Sudafed (pseudoephedrine, aka "truckers speed"), Xanax, Benadryl and most especially alcohol. Also note that half of those medications are readily available OTC (excluding alcohol).

    This is a matter that I believe will be resolved in my lifetime, but as of now there are too many people full-throttle for it and there are too many people who are hands down-against it and the majority are probably never going to be able to reach a middle ground.

    If your (hypothetical) grandmother who suffers from rheumatoid arthritis, cataracts and has lost her appetite due to radiation therapy wants to smoke a little wacky-tabacky... then just try and stop her. Chances are she's smoking it anyway, prescription or not.

    Erowid on Cannabis (NWS)
    [wiki]Marijuana[/wiki]<---sic)
    [wiki]War on Drugs[/wiki]
    Last edit by Alois Wolf on Oct 28, '07 : Reason: 1- There was ambigous language in my disclaimer. 2- Added "Beating a Dead Horse" smilely.
  10. by   teeituptom
    Quote from Pageantnurse
    The problem that I see is that when it is legalized everyone with a doctor is going to suddenly have a "legitimate" reason for smoking out. GERD, Chronic Fatigue, Restless leg syndrome, bat wing boils etc... I'm sorry but I don't want my nurses and doctors to be hopped up on Mary Jane while working on me. Or my cops, EMT drivers, firemen, accountant, you name it. Once its legalized you will just open the floodgates for people who would never jeopardize their careers now that will start using. To pretend it will only be used for CA and MS patients and the like is naive at best.
    :spin:That is even more Hilarious:spin:
  11. by   teeituptom
    Personally, I dont drink, do legal pain meds, or smoke. But if legalized. Yes I could see smoking a little weed like when I was young. Particularly if it was organically grown.
    A little Colombian, A little Jamaican, A little Kona Gold etc.
  12. by   CritterLover
    Quote from teeituptom
    personally, i dont drink, do legal pain meds, or smoke. but if legalized. yes i could see smoking a little weed like when i was young. particularly if it was organically grown.
    a little colombian, a little jamaican, a little kona gold etc.
    i drink a little, don't smoke (anything ), and the lortab i was given after my wisdom tooth was removed 3 years ago is still sitting in my medicine cabinet. i have no desire to smoke (or otherwise consume) marijuana. but i don't have issue with others using it.

    Quote from kellny
    have you seen anyone in the er for marijuana? or only mj that was laced or contaminated? there's a diff.
    i have. i have seen several (more than five) young men in their late teens/early 20s come in (by ambulance) because they smoked a joint and then started to "feel funny." well, duh. if you don't want to feel funny, then don't smoke it. the most recent patient was a teen about 6 wks ago. mom was highly upset because the patient was discharged by the doc pretty quickly with only a basic work-up.

    Quote from stevielynn
    as to someone using pot and wanting to fight - i beg to differ there having experienced abuse at the hands of a pothead. and being driven in a car with the same pothead as he sped through town at 80-90 mph trying to scare the blankety blank out of me. and how he used the last $40 we had to buy pot instead of heating oil when i had a new baby in the house and it was march in reno and snowing . . . .
    some people have violent tendencies, and marijuana isn't likely to dampen that. i think most of us are saying that marijuana use doesn't generally make a person violent. that is, turn a normally even-tempered person into someone wanting to pick a fight with everyone. alcohol, cocaine, meth are all known to do that.

    Quote from caroladybelle
    and there are also plenty of cancer/hiv patients that have used mj that can tell you that it did not do squat for nausea or appetite or pain.
    i've read several studies that echo what you are saying (i went to school at a university where the college of pharmacy did some significant research into medical marijuana use. ) however, pain and nausea are pretty individual. zofran is supposed to be one of the best aniemetics out there (and at the price, it better be ). but it doesn't work for everyone. i have plenty of patients that are dissappointed they are getting zofran rather than phenergan; i hypothesize this is because zofran doesn't make them zone out the way phenergan does. maybe marijuana works much the same way -- doesn't relieve the nausea so much as decrease the awareness of the nausea. to me, it really doesn't matter. if it helps someone chronically ill deal with their suffering, then let them use it.

    [color=#483d8b]i wouldn't want cost issues to make it a first-line treatment, but if it is a particular patient's first choice for an antiemetic, i would be ok with that.

    [color=#483d8b]for those who keep brining up marinol, it doesn't work as well as actually smoking the marijuana. i'm told that is because smoking is the most effecient way to absorb the active ingredients, since the lungs are highly vascular. the effect is quick and effecient delivery.
  13. by   dream'n
    Quote from Pageantnurse
    The problem that I see is that when it is legalized everyone with a doctor is going to suddenly have a "legitimate" reason for smoking out. GERD, Chronic Fatigue, Restless leg syndrome, bat wing boils etc... I'm sorry but I don't want my nurses and doctors to be hopped up on Mary Jane while working on me. Or my cops, EMT drivers, firemen, accountant, you name it. Once its legalized you will just open the floodgates for people who would never jeopardize their careers now that will start using. To pretend it will only be used for CA and MS patients and the like is naive at best.

    So....even if it helps reduce suffering in those with certain illnesses, it shouldn't be legalized because of abuse potential? Well with that line of thinking Oxycontin, Percocet, Vicodin, Demerol, and scores of other medications should be illegal also. Can't add alcohol to that list, because it doesn't even have a medicinal use that I'm aware of, but it is legal.

    I think it should be decriminalized, our police and courts shouldn't have to spend their time and resources prosecuting those that use it. They have more important things to do IMHO.

    I wouldn't want to use it even if it was legal, I like living in reality. But there are those people with health issues that could benefit by it. And any healthcare provider found working while under the influence, should be disciplined by the employer and BON as they see fit.

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