Do Nurses Earn Big Money? You Decide.

The members of the public who are convinced that registered nurses earn huge salaries are like shrubs on the outside looking in because they do not know how much sweat and tears we shed for our educations, and they are unaware of the hazards many of us face during the course of a day at work. Nurses General Nursing Article

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"You're rolling in the big bucks!"

Am I the only one who becomes at least mildly irritated whenever a random individual finds out that someone is a nurse and proceeds to say, "You're rolling in the big bucks!"

To keep things honest, I'll recall a few observations about the people who generally do (and don't) broadcast their feelings about nursing pay. In my personal experience, no doctor has ever told me to my face that I'm earning 'big money.' No engineers, attorneys, pharmacists, speech language pathologists, or other highly educated professionals have hooted and hollered about the supposedly 'good money' that nurses make once they discover that I am one. On the other hand, bank tellers, call center workers, clerks, and others who work at entry-level types of jobs have loudly made their feelings known about the incomes that nurses earn.

I was employed at two different fast food chains while in high school, and during my late teens, I worked a string of dead end jobs in the retail sector. From ages 20 to 23, I maintained employment at a paper products plant in high cost-of-living southern California as a factory worker and earned an income of about $40,000 yearly with some overtime. Of course I thought that nurses earned handsome salaries during my years in the entry-level workforce. After all, the average RN income of $70,000 annually far exceeded my yearly pay back in those days. Keep in mind that I paid virtually no taxes as a fast food worker because my income was so low. Also, I paid relatively little in the way of taxes as a retail store clerk.

Awash With Cash

Do nurses earn "big money"?Many of the certified nursing assistants (CNAs) with whom I've worked over the years have fallen into the trap of believing that the nurses are awash with cash. However, the ones that pursue higher education and become nurses themselves eventually come to the realization that the money is not all that it is cracked up to be. For example, Carla* is a single mother to three children under the age of 10 and earns $11 hourly as a CNA at a nursing home. Due to her lower income and family size, she qualifies for Section 8 housing, a monthly food stamp allotment, WIC vouchers, Medicaid, and childcare assistance. Moreover, Carla receives a tax refund of $4,000 every year due to the earned income tax credit (EITC), a federal program that provides lower income workers with added revenue through tax refunds. Much of Carla's CNA income is disposable.

Carla returned to school part-time, earned her RN license, and now earns $25 hourly at a home health company in a Midwestern state with a moderate cost of living. She nets approximately $3,000 per month after taxes and family health insurance are deducted as she no longer qualifies for Medicaid. She pays the full rent of $900 monthly for a small, modest 3-bedroom cottage because she no longer qualifies for Section 8. She pays $500 monthly to feed a family of four because she no longer qualifies for food stamps or WIC vouchers. She spends $175 weekly ($700 monthly) on after school childcare for three school-age children because she no longer qualifies for childcare assistance. Carla's other expenses include $200 monthly to keep the gas tank of her used car full, $300 a month for the electric/natural gas bill, a $50 monthly cell phone bill, and $50 per month for car insurance. Her bills add up to $2,700 per month, which leaves her with a whopping $300 left for savings, recreational pursuits and discretionary purposes. By the way, she did not see the nice tax refund of $4,000 this year since she no longer qualifies for EITC. During Carla's days as a CNA most of her income was disposable, but now that she's an RN she lives a paycheck to paycheck existence. I'm sure she wouldn't be too pleased with some schmuck proclaiming that she's earning 'big money.'

The people who are convinced that nurses earn plenty of money are like shrubs on the outside looking in because they do not know how much sweat and tears we shed for our educations. They remain blissfully unaware of the daily struggles of getting through our workdays. All they see are the dollar signs. I'm here to declare that I worked hard to get to where I am today and I deserve to be paid a decent wage for all of the services that I render. Instead of begrudging us, join us.

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Sure i'm gonna get hate for this, but here's my thoughts.

I have been an shipyard worker, worked for years in construction, and run my own business for many years.

And for the benifits nurses get...I consider them fairly compesated.

I seem to hear alot of complaining about how hard the job of a nurse is, and I agree I don't fully know yet, but it can't be harder than a much more phsyically demanding job, that also requires heavily dealing with customers. I only have my wife to gauge how tough it is, beacuse she has worked along side me, as well as being a RN for the past 2 years, (she works in the ER now) And she feels as though nurses tend to complain more than is necessary about how tough their jobs are, especailly since they are fairly compesated.

Now i still need to take the Nclex-RN and pass, but I highly doubt is going to make me want to go back to Sandblasting steel ships in 100+ degree weather, filthly to the point of being black from dust, for LESS MONEY.

Thing is if you think you have it bad....someone else has it worse.

Everyone thinks they should be paid more...

BTW, I have made $65k a year without a high school dipolma...working 80+ a week. So I know all the factors, of taxes. And I wouldn't ask for a handout making $10 an hour.

Well, i'm not going to give you 'hate', lol, but, i have a few thoughts which came to mind as i read your post.

Yes, yes, it's a well documented, undeniable fact that males ARE generally paid more. Glad for ya!! And you have done something right, that you got to be the boss for many years. Good on you.

and yes, there are those who feel physical labor IS what makes a job 'hard'. And no doubt, it does.

But, nursing is also a very physical job, probably even more so in the past, for the bulk of my career, before units were designed more efficiently and we usually logged 8 miles per shift of footsteps. (we checked, with those odometers)

and that was back before hoyers were more than one per hospital (for real, that's all a hosp had, we had to take turns all over) so much much lifting and pulling was done, many times every shift, and this was before body mechanics were as promoted as much as that topic is today.

I've worked ER or ICU much of my career,

and that ER unit was not usually as physically taxing as some units are, for several reasons,

there is usually less "pulling the patient up in his bed", which, when done bazillions of times per shift, takes a toll on a person's back, shoulders, wrists, etc. and there are usually more males around to assist in the heavy lifting when in the ER, too, and hoyers right there,

so your wife's summary

of how physically demanding ER nursing is,

Might not be applicable to all nurses

working in all various types of settings

on this thread.

What you might consider physically hard, as a male, (and i'm picturing you are probably a strong person, since you did physical labor) might be slightly different than what a smaller person might consider physically demanding or straining.

For many of us, turning a 400 lb patient who has diarrhea back and forth, frequently, to clean that person, over and over is physically demanding, and arguably, just as disgusting as as your description of cleaning ships.

I can't wait til you put on your first pair of TED hose onto a really large large person. Get back to me after you have. (kind of joke, most nurses will nod at that, it's hard!)

When i was young RN, being mentored by seasoned RNs, long ago, they ALL had bad backs, or had recovered from a back injury, it was part of the job. Guaranteed back then, and it is still a risk today. Many had multiple other injuries as well. Tons of boosting, turning, transferring, catching, lifting, twisting, scurrying nonstop is done by many nurses.

There are different kinds of " physically hard".

Many nurses have been physically assaulted at their jobs, from mildly to severely, and this is something unusual in most other professions. I've had a 6-4 250lb patient, (head injury) grab my neck and wrench my head to the side, and it was years and years til i was ever '100% right' again, but, luckily, i recovered. (no doctor appt, nothing, just walked it off, over time).

While we were transferring a 400lb one-legged patient from wheelchair to bed, her one good leg gave out, and my forearm, in her armpit ----took the bulk of her body weight all at once, and to this day, whenever i raise up my right arm, it goes numb. But, she did not fall.

I once sustained a very very scarey needle stick from an HIV patient, (didn't catch it, but, it felt like the beginning of a 'made for tv' movie for a while, til i was in the clear again.) made that neck injury seem like a piece of cake, really.

I could bore for a few more paragraphs on various injuries i've sustained, and for a few pages on injuries i've stood witness to, upon my fellow nurses. Tons of 'em.

Who knows, if we could hypothetically line up injured coworkers, in our two fields, who knows which of us would have the higher % of injured coworkers?

There are different kinds of "filthy".

I garden, and get covered in earth, and i work on cars,

yet, i don't feel nearly as 'filthy' as i do when i am vomited on, when someone throws their colostomy onto my hair, when i have some strangers blood on my skin, when some deathly ill person's green phlegm is on me, or when i get urinated on, long list of other ways to get filthy as a nurse.

There are different kinds of stress.

For some humans, moving heavy items repetitively might be the worst kind of stress, but, for some humans, knowing if you make even a slight error, you could orphan some child, is a type of stress, too. Having upset families scream at you, or even throw things around, is a stress, too. Having doctors scream you out, can be demeaning/stressful. Knowing you can't really control getting off work on time, and the impact that can have for parents, (or anyone) is a stress.

Sometimes, dealing with an unpredictable parade of humans all of whom are stressed out, can make cleaning ships seem appealing.

Only having time for lunch break once per week is stress, as is not being able to have even five minutes to get to the restroom, cuz you are that busy, is a stress. Being able to remember all 7 of things you need to do right now, is a stress, and it can stay that speed allll dayyyyy long. And at end of day, instead of being appreciated,

you might be scolded for not being done on time.

Having to stay abreast of an always changing body of knowledge, mental stress, emotional stress, all kinds of stressors.

some humans find intellectual demands just as draining or exhausting, as cleaning ships might be.

I do not mean to disrespect your work, at all, nope. I've done hard labor myself, it is hard. I'm just suggesting, that nursing can be hard in all types of different ways. And when drywallers are sometimes paid the same as nurses,

there might be something here to consider.

and re: the "handout" that Carla has paid into each and every paycheck she's ever made, that YOU would refuse if you were making $10 per hour,

If you are referring to the Carla described by the OP,

i am proud of Carla for doing whatever it took to ensure her 3 kids were not in dire poverty. There's not a lot i would not do for my kids, either, and if i had to swallow my pride, to ensure i could obtain the proper amounts of protein, to pay the heat bills, get them coats, etc, oh yeah, GULP, i'd find a way to swallow my pride. Yes, i would, i'd do it for my kids, indeed.

sometimes, it just best not to throw stones, til you have walked a mile as single mom raising 3 kids on minimum wage, paying childcare and everything else.. i'm just sayin.

EDIT----ps, the poverty stricken are sometimes disproportionately amongst the severely sick in the USA, so you might want to consider, trying to develop a more compassionate, less judgmental view for those that do take govt aide to feed their kids.(IF you harbor such a view, not sure) If you do go into nursing, you might be interacting with quite a few of them.

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I think nurses get paid very well for the amount of education that they have. Not in many other professions can one make 60k their first year out of school. Sometimes I look at my union contract and think "I am part of what's wrong with healthcare in America." Double overtime, triple time holidays, large shift differentials, weekend bonuses, extra shift bonuses, and God help us if we don't get a raise every year... Don't get me wrong, I love these perks, but I do think nurses are more than adequately compensated. So yes, I guess to answer the question- nurses can make a good amount of money. Maybe not the "big bucks" but decent enough, I'd say! Hiding now, please don't hate!

What planet are you from?

Fresh out of school I made 34k, (2011), time and a half for holidays/overtime, no weekend bonuses, no extra shift bonuses, shift differential was a dollar but I worked days so I didn't get that, and yeah, we got a raise- but a performance evaluation raise is 50 cents at max- and at $20/hr, I was already being paid less than a lot of other states- Iowa is one of the lowest paying states in the nation for nurses. Arkansas, where I just moved to, isn't much better. Getting 19.50/hr at my new job here in the Obs unit. I love it so far though. Compared to LTC/SNF, the patient load is nicer, there's a unit secretary to do a lot of the paperwork stuff I had to do at my last job, and the people and the organization is nicer. And it just about made my day to find out that I get holiday pay for holidays even if I'm not working. :) But.... I wouldn't say that it's big bucks. I think the majority of nurses in our nation do NOT make 70k a year- and the staff nurses probably make 40k as more of an average. Is this adequate? For me, yep. For me and my fiance? It doesn't cover the bills. He's job searching to relocate to me, but right now he's 400 miles away, and he can't relocate to where I am now, until he has money to be able to cover his car payment while he job hunts- because the extra $400/month doesn't fit into my budget.

I make the most money of anyone I know.( unless i count other nurses or the attendings pas , pharmacists "i know of" but none are in my social circle). I picked nursing in part for the money. In a good year growing up my parents made together what I make now. I dont have kids either. my fAmily never used gov or privatr assistance like sec 8, free lunches etc as my parents thought that was beneath them and for the lazy or the really disabeled or those who cant work. They think , if you can work then you live with what you make...... Now as a nurse I can buy anything I want for the most part. For the first time in my life I can go grocery shopping and really buy whatever I want. Things like ice cream, pineapples, salmon etc. My diet intake is not restricted by money. I am asked for money by relatives often enough. Of course the ent attending won't think your rich while the janitor does. It is all relative. People making $5million a year arent impressed by a doctor's salary either.

Sorry, but I work in social services and the government is not handing out money like that...lol You pretty much have to be starving to death to qualify for anything. In my state, a person making $12hr with one child would only qualify for childcare assistance and medicaid for the CHILD. They'd be expected to cough up $200 a month of their income towards the childcare. If they are living a lifstyle equivalent to an RN it has nothing to do with welfare and everything to do with their under-the-table side hustle. No one can live on or come-up off of government assistance alone.

Correction, a person making $12/hr with one kid no longer qualifies for childcare assistance.

If this is true, I'm happy to hear it. But in the OP's article, s/he tells up that the assistance from the government paid for her home, childcare and food. My comment was toward that. If it doesn't happen in your state that is fantastic, but I see that happen ALL THE TIME here in Vegas. And I saw in EVERYWHERE growing up in Brooklyn.

As so many others have already said, "big bucks" is subjective. I really hate the way people seem to disparage those receiving public assistance. I, unfortunately, have had to rely on food stamps and Medicaid as a single person (I only qualified for food stamps as a student) and can only imagine how much more difficult it would be for someone with children. When you have rent, utilities, insurance (health and car), food, gas, etc., $8.50 an hour just is not a lot of money. The amount of taxes I pay as a single person is ridiculous as well. I live in Alabama and a 1 bedroom apartment will run you $550 easy and that's if you can get a special. I didn't even qualify for food stamps at making that much because the income limits go by your GROSS pay, not your bring home pay. With Medicaid, I only can get a pap smear and birth control. (I am now unemployed) If I need to go to the doctor I am outta luck. When I file my taxes, I don't really get a whole lot back. EITC does not apply since I have no kids. In my experience, there are those of use who could really use even just a little public assistance but get no help because we have no children. However, while I am in this predicament I decided to also try to get govt assistance to pay for my LPN. This is a situation where my circumstances can work for me and I have NO shame in trying to take advantage of that. Its not about getting a handout, Its about getting out of the situation possibly for good and being able to provide for myself later on down the road. I really think everyone should have to try living this way for a few months so maybe they can stop looking down their nose at people who opt to use these methods to provide for themselves or their families. Trust and believe that not everyone that gets public assistance wants to stay on it... I think I got off topic. If I were to go from (I will use my last wage just as an example) making $8.50 an hour to $13 or $20 an hour, yes I would feel I was making big bucks. As a single person with virtually no bills aside from household ones, I would feel I came up in a major way all else being equal. However, that is not my only motivation for being a nurse. I could make that or better working in IT or Computer Information Systems or doing production work which requires no degree.

Well, i'm not going to give you 'hate', lol, but, i have a few thoughts which came to mind as i read your post.Yes, yes, it's a well documented, undeniable fact that males ARE generally paid more. Glad for ya!! And you have done something right, that you got to be the boss for many years. Good on you.and yes, there are those who feel physical labor IS what makes a job 'hard'. And no doubt, it does. But, nursing is also a very physical job, probably even more so in the past, for the bulk of my career, before units were designed more efficiently and we usually logged 8 miles per shift of footsteps. (we checked, with those odometers)and that was back before hoyers were more than one per hospital (for real, that's all a hosp had, we had to take turns all over) so much much lifting and pulling was done, many times every shift, and this was before body mechanics were as promoted as much as that topic is today.I've worked ER or ICU much of my career, and that ER unit was not usually as physically taxing as some units are, for several reasons, there is usually less "pulling the patient up in his bed", which, when done bazillions of times per shift, takes a toll on a person's back, shoulders, wrists, etc. and there are usually more males around to assist in the heavy lifting when in the ER, too, and hoyers right there, so your wife's summary of how physically demanding ER nursing is,Might not be applicable to all nurses working in all various types of settings on this thread. What you might consider physically hard, as a male, (and i'm picturing you are probably a strong person, since you did physical labor) might be slightly different than what a smaller person might consider physically demanding or straining.For many of us, turning a 400 lb patient who has diarrhea back and forth, frequently, to clean that person, over and over is physically demanding, and arguably, just as disgusting as as your description of cleaning ships.I can't wait til you put on your first pair of TED hose onto a really large large person. Get back to me after you have. (kind of joke, most nurses will nod at that, it's hard!)When i was young RN, being mentored by seasoned RNs, long ago, they ALL had bad backs, or had recovered from a back injury, it was part of the job. Guaranteed back then, and it is still a risk today. Many had multiple other injuries as well. Tons of boosting, turning, transferring, catching, lifting, twisting, scurrying nonstop is done by many nurses.There are different kinds of " physically hard".Many nurses have been physically assaulted at their jobs, from mildly to severely, and this is something unusual in most other professions. I've had a 6-4 250lb patient, (head injury) grab my neck and wrench my head to the side, and it was years and years til i was ever '100% right' again, but, luckily, i recovered. (no doctor appt, nothing, just walked it off, over time).While we were transferring a 400lb one-legged patient from wheelchair to bed, her one good leg gave out, and my forearm, in her armpit ----took the bulk of her body weight all at once, and to this day, whenever i raise up my right arm, it goes numb. But, she did not fall.I once sustained a very very scarey needle stick from an HIV patient, (didn't catch it, but, it felt like the beginning of a 'made for tv' movie for a while, til i was in the clear again.) made that neck injury seem like a piece of cake, really.I could bore for a few more paragraphs on various injuries i've sustained, and for a few pages on injuries i've stood witness to, upon my fellow nurses. Tons of 'em. Who knows, if we could hypothetically line up injured coworkers, in our two fields, who knows which of us would have the higher % of injured coworkers?There are different kinds of "filthy".I garden, and get covered in earth, and i work on cars,yet, i don't feel nearly as 'filthy' as i do when i am vomited on, when someone throws their colostomy onto my hair, when i have some strangers blood on my skin, when some deathly ill person's green phlegm is on me, or when i get urinated on, long list of other ways to get filthy as a nurse. There are different kinds of stress.For some humans, moving heavy items repetitively might be the worst kind of stress, but, for some humans, knowing if you make even a slight error, you could orphan some child, is a type of stress, too. Having upset families scream at you, or even throw things around, is a stress, too. Having doctors scream you out, can be demeaning/stressful. Knowing you can't really control getting off work on time, and the impact that can have for parents, (or anyone) is a stress. Sometimes, dealing with an unpredictable parade of humans all of whom are stressed out, can make cleaning ships seem appealing. Only having time for lunch break once per week is stress, as is not being able to have even five minutes to get to the restroom, cuz you are that busy, is a stress. Being able to remember all 7 of things you need to do right now, is a stress, and it can stay that speed allll dayyyyy long. And at end of day, instead of being appreciated,you might be scolded for not being done on time.Having to stay abreast of an always changing body of knowledge, mental stress, emotional stress, all kinds of stressors. some humans find intellectual demands just as draining or exhausting, as cleaning ships might be.I do not mean to disrespect your work, at all, nope. I've done hard labor myself, it is hard. I'm just suggesting, that nursing can be hard in all types of different ways. And when drywallers are sometimes paid the same as nurses,there might be something here to consider.and re: the "handout" that Carla has paid into each and every paycheck she's ever made, that YOU would refuse if you were making $10 per hour,If you are referring to the Carla described by the OP,i am proud of Carla for doing whatever it took to ensure her 3 kids were not in dire poverty. There's not a lot i would not do for my kids, either, and if i had to swallow my pride, to ensure i could obtain the proper amounts of protein, to pay the heat bills, get them coats, etc, oh yeah, GULP, i'd find a way to swallow my pride. Yes, i would, i'd do it for my kids, indeed.sometimes, it just best not to throw stones, til you have walked a mile as single mom raising 3 kids on minimum wage, paying childcare and everything else.. i'm just sayin. EDIT----ps, the poverty stricken are sometimes disproportionately amongst the severely sick in the USA, so you might want to consider, trying to develop a more compassionate, less judgmental view for those that do take govt aide to feed their kids.(IF you harbor such a view, not sure) If you do go into nursing, you might be interacting with quite a few of them.
Your description of the physical aspect of nursing is one of the beat posts I have ever reAd on here.
Really? You think $50K is suficient for a family of 4 kids w/mom and dad for a total of 6?? Can YOU live on $8,333.33 per year?? Because that's what it would come out to per person.

I know I live in a very high cost of living state (CT) but I can't see that $50K for a family of 6 in any state being sufficient.

In most places $50k is more than enough for a family of six to be fairly comfortable. I'm from Brooklyn, and we called you Connecticuters the "Rich" people lol. So over there $50k won't even come close to raising a family of 6. Once you get away from the Tri state area though, cost of living drops dramatically. It really does.

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Really? You think $50K is suficient for a family of 4 kids w/mom and dad for a total of 6?? Can YOU live on $8,333.33 per year?? Because that's what it would come out to per person.

I know I live in a very high cost of living state (CT) but I can't see that $50K for a family of 6 in any state being sufficient.

You know, i lived on less than 8k a year for living expenses etc, when I was in college- it wasn't all that bad, especially if you divide out the cost of rent/utilities six ways, too. The problem with that example is that kids don't result in extra rent to that same degree. If you're paying rent on a 3 bedroom apt for example, which is sufficient for a family of six- two bedrooms would even be sufficient if you happen to have all girls, or all boys- your cost is probably only going to go up a couple hundred dollars at most, unless you live in a horrendously pricey area. Here in NW AR I can get a 2 bedroom apartment that's nice and spacious for $595/month.

My family growing up (not a long time ago, as I'm in my early 20s),subsisted on 35-40k a year, with 2 parents and 4 kids... so.. family of six, homeschooling and my dad being self-employed- meaning he had to pay BOTH halves of social security rather than having an employer to pick up the other half... (think, if SS/medicare deductions from your paycheck were TWICE as big). It was comfortable. You have to buy clothes at Goodwill and occasionally walmart, and buy groceries in bulk and pay attention to the prices; no name brand stuff when generic will do- and you can't have steak and pineapple and shrimp and fancy things all the time- but you can be happy. it IS tight... and I kind of want to know how my mom and dad did it- as I have 35k a year NOW, on my own, and wonder where all the money goes sometimes. But.... it's not an unfathomable amount of money to survive on.

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Exactly.

Holla!

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Yes, and you have to remember, it's not that nurses make soooo much money, it's that it's a job that pays better than the local convenience store or the Walmart.

There are the two year ASN programs and the accelerated nursing programs. Why that's a fair amount less in terms of time and investment for the buck as compared with many other "professions" or occupations. To me, this is just another reason to support BSNs and advanced nursing education; b/c those that make the commitment in education are perhaps saying they are in it, at least hopefully, more for the right reasons.. . .maybe. . .hopefully. (This is something I worry about though with nurses that just want to spend a year or two in clinical nursing and then move right through an advanced practice nursing program to become a NP or CRNA. IMHO, those nurses are at a very distinct disadvantage, clinically speaking, but that's another story.)

While IDK everything, I have heard a recurrent theme, especially from women that were recently divorced or were in the process of divorce or thinking about divorce. And trust me, I'm not knocking single women (or men) for going back to school to better provide for themselves and their families; but I have heard and seen the mentality of "It pays better than the Walmart" in quite a number of such individuals. And when they didn't say it straight out, it eventually came to light later.

So what do these people do? They sign up at the community college, and then try to matriculate into the nursing program. A two year program is a short distance to a pretty fair jump over walmart pay for those working the register. Listen, I'm just saying. . . (I'm not all hot for the accelerated programs either, regardless of the fact that the person may have an undergrad degree in teaching or psychology or art history. That's nice in terms of electives and other GE courses, but what the Sam Hill does it have with nursing, and how in the heck do you think you can adequately educate and train someone in becoming a professional nursing, from no nursing at all, in about a year or so? To me, it's insane, but the schools make some money off of it. And that also is another story for another thread.)

IMHE, I've found that a good percentage of people in nursing either really didn't care for it, in terms of what they are doing--core nursing fx and nursing processes, or they had some other motivation for going into the field that is not exactly altruistic. And these folks tend to be the ones that stir up the most trouble on floors or units or systems.

The ones that really love the core of what they do as nurses aren't out to dump on others, or step on others, or put on some sort of show, or hob nob with whomever is considered the upper echelon, whether it be residents, fellows, attendings, nurse admins, managers, other admins, the rounding pharmacists, whomever. . . Those that really care about nursing are about the job, and they aren't regularly miserable or backbiting or otherwise displacing on to others.

Of course I am speaking in my own experience and in general.

I agree that the push for nurses to continue there education is important. However a BSN or advanced practice degree isn't going to "weed out" people going to school for nursing. Even an ADN is a time commitment, because it typically takes 3 years to get to the end degree, if the student gets most of their prerequisites before entering their nursing courses. Some people who arent exactly "well-fitted" for nursing can make it through any type of nursing education if they want it bad enough, regardless of why they want it. It happens everyday.

Sounds to me that a CNA going to school to improve her circumstance is not getting a handout but rather a handup.

It is sad for me the number of otherwise well meaning Americans who despise people for needing help. I think that very few of us do well in life when we are truly on our own. Not everyone comes from a family or social situation that can provide assistance for financial needs...they can't afford to subsidize college, or rent, or food, or transportation for their children. That doesn't make them less American or less valuable than the child born with the silver spoon. Mitt Romney, for example, is no more valuable to the USA because he was born wealthy and has never received welfare as compared to the young man or woman who receives support while getting an education or working toward personal goals which will improve their social status.

In my view, this "class warfare" is destructive to our society.

You're right, but I believe you may have taken some comments the wrong way. I'm pretty vocal about these things-you should listen to me in "Real life" lol. But sometimes I'm taken as being a little cold hearted so let me clarify a bit. I don't despise, nor would I imagine that any of the other "Negative" posters despise people who need help. What I do despise is the amount of help some people get, if that makes sense. I have people in my own family who've been on government assistance all of their lives (Not exaggerating in the least here, either) and, because they are used to it, well they're used to it. They do the minimal legwork necessary to stay on it, trying not to work. I can even give an example of one in particular that, whenever she gets board of the free section 8 housing she's living in, she checks into other "nicer" housings that offer section 8 acceptance. This woman was actually telling me the "Good news" that she was getting a new house, as the 2 bedroom apartment that she was living in "sucked" (it is actually a pretty decent apartment, btw). I couldn't believe it!!!!! She is about to move into a 4 bedroom HOUSE that is actually a bit nicer than the 4 bedroom house that I'm renting for $1500.00 a month. On section 8's dime!!! And the thing is, she's one of many. One of SO SO many. I know a lot of people who want to be more "PC" would say something like "Well Jaime, that's just an extreme case. Normally people just take assistance until they can get themselves on their feet." I'm here to tell them that is the other way around! It's actually normal for people to take advantage of the system as long as they can (once they get on it, anyway), and then hustle at the last minute when they are threatened with their benefits ending.

I'm all for giving a helping hand when needed, but not a helping hand that is so good that they live a middle class lifestyle on the tax payers dime while doing nothing.

Another factor separating us from most everyone else is the level of responsibility and liability we take on in our job. Even though I work in a relatively low acuity environment (as a LPN in LTC) I still have much weightier responsibilities than 95%of the working population.

This is part of why I deserve higher pay for a position that required relatively little education. And a ADN working in the hospital deserves much higher pay than an associates level degree would seem to indicate. And so on up the nursing ladder.