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Do Nurses Earn Big Money? You Decide. - page 16

Am I the only one who becomes at least mildly irritated whenever a random individual finds out that someone is a nurse and proceeds to say, "You're rolling in the big bucks!" To keep things... Read More

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    I am only on page 17/22 so far so i am not sure how far tangent the conversation is. BUT why do people always compare nursing pay rates to things like plumbers, customer service rep, shipyard cleaners etc. instead of pt/ot, pharamcist, dental hygenist, respiratory therapist , accountant, paralegal etc .... yes pt and pharmacists have higher degrees than most nurses and deserve higher pay. instead we hear stories on be glad an asn pays so well when a masters in underwater basketweaving or 13th century iranian literature doesnt....
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    But honey it has always been that way for the most part.

    Historically nursing has been sold as a "pick up and put down" career. That is a young girl could enter the profession after high school (via ADN,diploma or BSN) work for awhile then either leave or reduce her hours upon marriage and starting a family. Please don't laugh because this advice was given to my Med/Surg I nursing class as advice by our classroom instructor to her "girls", and this was in the 1980's.

    Because of the above and or nurses simply fed up with conditions on the ground you had a decent steady stream of turn over, thus few nurses reached upper levels of their pay scales. Those who chose to remain usually went in to administration/management (head nurses, supervisors, DONs) and got their wage increases that way. All and all nothing was ever luxurious and many staff nurses retired after >30 years making only several to perhaps ten thousand more than when they were new grads. Evidence of this can be found in nursing homes and other elder care facilities where you'll often find nurses living out their retirements barely out of poverty. As usual the ones who never married and or didn't marry "well" have the worst of things because there isn't a second income to fall back upon.

    A. First, though it's kind of laughable, I am honey to only one person. LOL I don't think it is you.

    2. That kind of turnaround is a factor, but I believe you are overstating it and its effect.

    Z. I'm not kidding myself about nursing. I never did. My mother was a nurse, and she let me see a lot through her eyes. To a much greater degree than the average person, I went in with my eyes wide open.

    I have no illusions about nursing in terms of financial growth, job stability, or really anything. Maybe that is part of why I lasted so long in it. I knew what it waswhen I went into it. I did the best I could to excel in practice, and now I face the future looking to move into other things. I have loved much of it; and I have detested a lot of the stupidity in it. What I resent for many nurses is the lack of compensation for their years of hard work and growth in the field as the moved into expert and didn't allow themselves to get totally beaten down by a field that, yes, tends to like to do just that to people.
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    I guess I want to see what nurses think about the stunted growth of income after being in the field for quite some time.
    Yeah, as a nurse you may start out high but youndont go too much further. where i work any floor nurse caps out at $6 more and hour than me. so 30years and you arent making much more than a new grad
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    Quote from anotherone
    I am only on page 17/22 so far so i am not sure how far tangent the conversation is. BUT why do people always compare nursing pay rates to things like plumbers, customer service rep, shipyard cleaners etc. instead of pt/ot, pharamcist, dental hygenist, respiratory therapist , accountant, paralegal etc .... yes pt and pharmacists have higher degrees than most nurses and deserve higher pay. instead we hear stories on be glad an asn pays so well when a masters in underwater basketweaving or 13th century iranian literature doesnt....

    Yes, the typical comparisons are very telling indeed.
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    Yeah, as a nurse you may start out high but youndont go too much further. where i work any floor nurse caps out at $6 more and hour than me. so 30years and you arent making much more than a new grad
    EXACTLY.
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    A. First, though it's kind of laughable, I am honey to only one person. LOL I don't think it is you.

    2. That kind of turnaround is a factor, but I believe you are overstating it and its effect.

    Z. I'm not kidding myself about nursing. I never did. My mother was a nurse, and she let me see a lot through her eyes. To a much greater degree than the average person, I went in with my eyes wide open.

    I have no illusions about nursing in terms of financial growth, job stability, or really anything. Maybe that is part of why I lasted so long in it. I knew what it waswhen I went into it. I did the best I could to excel in practice, and now I face the future looking to move into other things. I have loved much of it; and I have detested a lot of the stupidity in it. What I resent for many nurses is the lack of compensation for their years of hard work and growth in the field as the moved into expert and didn't allow themselves to get totally beaten down by a field that, yes, tends to like to do just that to people.
    1. - Point taken, content edited.

    2. & 3. Point one was trying to make is that historically nurses have not been largely compensated for their years of hard work, dedication and so forth; but then again that is par for the course in the "pink ghetto" of mainly female occupations/professions. Over stated or no, a large reason for this would be the often high turn over and the availablity of (cheap) female labour.

    When you have high turnover it is very hard to make a stand as a profession. Couple this with the then and still often prevailing attitude that "nice girls" don't make trouble and you have a situation where nothing really changes.

    As for my "pick up and drop" comment being possibly overstated, oh I don't know about that. During the recent financial crisis the supposed nursing shortage vanished as scores if not hundreds of experienced nurses returned to the bedside and or delayed leaving it. In some households were it not for the nurses going back to work their families would have been on the streets.
    Last edit by DoGoodThenGo on Nov 28, '12 : Reason: content, grammer
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    Yeah, as a nurse you may start out high but youndont go too much further. where i work any floor nurse caps out at $6 more and hour than me. so 30years and you arent making much more than a new grad
    As is any field that you don't excel in to bigger and better things. (Male or female) The money is out there...and the paths to it, are much greater than most fields.
    I think people don't understand simple economics, when it comes to how profit and loss works.

    Well, maybe the UNION factory workers for Twinkies do now, since they are out of jobs thinking they "deserved more" than could be afforded by the company paying them.

    It is very simple..... to be worth more you have to excel, there can't be dozens more waiting to fill your shoes.

    These are facts of life...complaining does nothing to fulfill your desire to make more money.
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    As is any field that you don't excel in to bigger and better things. (Male or female) The money is out there...and the paths to it, are much greater than most fields.I think people don't understand simple economics, when it comes to how profit and loss works.Well, maybe the UNION factory workers for Twinkies do now, since they are out of jobs thinking they "deserved more" than could be afforded by the company paying them.It is very simple..... to be worth more you have to excel, there can't be dozens more waiting to fill your shoes. These are facts of life...complaining does nothing to fulfill your desire to make more money.
    all i am saying is a nurse with 30years of experience doesn't make much more than a new grad . well they should both be able to do the same job same knowledge (haha)so get paid the same. in floor nursing you wont get paid for being the best or excelling (maybe a ten cent raise more than the people you pick up messes from) but in some professions you can move up in pay alot more based on experience even though you are doing the same job. i am not saying my opinion,just what is.
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    Quote from eroc
    As is any field that you don't excel in to bigger and better things. (Male or female) The money is out there...and the paths to it, are much greater than most fields.
    I think people don't understand simple economics, when it comes to how profit and loss works.

    Well, maybe the UNION factory workers for Twinkies do now, since they are out of jobs thinking they "deserved more" than could be afforded by the company paying them.

    It is very simple..... to be worth more you have to excel, there can't be dozens more waiting to fill your shoes.

    These are facts of life...complaining does nothing to fulfill your desire to make more money.
    Just so you know the private equity frim that owns Hostess Brands doled out bonus and wage increases worth millions to executives all the time crying poor mouth to the unions. Indeed the same are in bankruptcy court seeking permission to dole out more to "critical" management as the company is raped and sold off to make a "profit", much of which will go to payoff the PE company/investors.

    If times are so bad for a company then that pain should start at and be shared starting at the top.
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    Quote from anotherone
    all i am saying is a nurse with 30years of experience doesn't make much more than a new grad . well they should both be able to do the same job same knowledge (haha)so get paid the same. in floor nursing you wont get paid for being the best or excelling (maybe a ten cent raise more than the people you pick up messes from) but in some professions you can move up in pay alot more based on experience even though you are doing the same job. i am not saying my opinion,just what is.
    I understand...just a general statement. You said $6 an hour...that equals roughly $12K a year more, so that is not terrible, for being a floor nurse getting paid an extra 12K a year for experience with no more requirements demands of you than the New Grad.
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    Quote from DoGoodThenGo
    Just so you know the private equity frim that owns Hostess Brands doled out bonus and wage increases worth millions to executives all the time crying poor mouth to the unions. Indeed the same are in bankruptcy court seeking permission to dole out more to "critical" management as the company is raped and sold off to make a "profit", much of which will go to payoff the PE company/investors.

    If times are so bad for a company then that pain should start at and be shared starting at the top.
    Sorry I completely disagree with your last sentence, and I knew about the bonuses.
    They are out of jobs yes/no? If the workers were not replacable they would still have a job.
    This type thinking will continue to destroy our country. Every has the right to TRY and have a better life. I will never worker harder, and risk more to let someone else reap the benifits.
    Facts are facts
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    Quote from DoGoodThenGo
    1. - Point taken, content edited.

    2. & 3. Point one was trying to make is that historically nurses have not been largely compensated for their years of hard work, dedication and so forth; but then again that is par for the course in the "pink ghetto" of mainly female occupations/professions. Over stated or no, a large reason for this would be the often high turn over and the availablity of (cheap) female labour.

    When you have high turnover it is very hard to make a stand as a profession. Couple this with the then and still often prevailing attitude that "nice girls" don't make trouble and you have a situation where nothing really changes.

    As for my "pick up and drop" comment being possibly overstated, oh I don't know about that. During the recent financial crisis the supposed nursing shortage vanished as scores if not hundreds of experienced nurses returned to the bedside and or delayed leaving it. In some households were it not for the nurses going back to work their families would have been on the streets.
    I'd have to to the statistical research on your latter point.
    But I do find the "pink ghetto" concept, well, amusing.

    Point well taken with re: to the turnover factor and trying to evolve as a profession.

    But again, I still there overstatement is involved--hundreds of nurses in USA is a drop in the bucket. A large portion of it is fiscal factors--the hiring freezes and such. It's survival economics pure and simple coupled with the fact that more and more of patient services have been moved outside the hospital setting.

    At any rate, I don't remember mama using the term "pink ghetto." LOL Maybe she should have.
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    I understand...just a general statement. You said $6 an hour...that equals roughly $12K a year more, so that is not terrible, for being a floor nurse getting paid an extra 12K a year for experience with no more requirements demands of you than the New Grad.

    NO. I don't think that is what is being said or done. Nurses aren't making 12K more per year. Eg., luck to get 2% per year, which doesn't keep up with costs; but at any rate, 2% of say $60,000 = $1200 per year. You think that will cover taxes, commuting costs, and parking. . . LOL?

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