Do LPN's get the pay they deserve? - page 5

I am an LPN in SW Missouri. I make $11.50 an hour. I do 90% of the same job that the RN's do on my floor. Am I whining? Do LPN's really get what they deserve? Does LPN really stand for Low Paid... Read More

  1. by   LTC_LPN
    As a night nurse in LTC, I am paid $15.50 per hour, and I work in Arkansas. The dayshift nurses at this facility are paid $12.50 per hour. My problem is that I've been an LPN for 15 years, and yet the other night nurse, a new grad LPN, makes $15.00 per hour. We have no insurance or other benifits, except we are paid holiday pay and get 2 weeks paid vacation every year.
  2. by   smk1
    [QUOTE=lindarn][QUOTE=schroeders_piano]
    Quote from Houstonnurse
    PERSONALLY, 11 bucks an hr is SO LOW it's outragous,


    I have been reading these post with a very open mind. It wasn't that long ago when I was an LPN working Med/Surg for $12.07/hr. Now I am a RN and one of the night shift charge nurses for the unit. I make $14.77/hr. I currently have 3 LPNs working on my unit and the nights that they work doubles my patient load. As the RN I am responsible for the LPNs patients. I also have to do IV push meds and IV starts. My facility does not allow LPNs to call doctors or take telephone orders. IMO LPNs are not paid what they deserve, but neither are RNs. There has been nights when I was the only RN on the Med/Surg unit with 2 LPNs. These nights are horrible. The LPNs on my unit are well trained, but the LPNs still cannot perform several number of tasks that the RN must do.

    Here in Spokane Washington, Sacred Heart just laid off ALL of their LPNs and are hiring more RN's and CNA's to replace them. They cited the same issues that you just did. An RN has double the patient load & responsibility when there are LPN's. They are not a bargain to have. They are too limited in their scope of practice and make more work for the RN.

    To answer your question, NO, as an RN, you do not get paid enough to be responsible for someones else' patients. LPNs get paid enough in my opinion realted to their low level of education and limited scope of practice.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Spokane, Washington
    both of those wages sound horribly low! Rn and Lpn , any chance of changing to another hospital? how are you paying off your loans for your BSN! yikes :uhoh21: Is this the norm in the spokane area? (student here in SW washington working on Rn-BSN prereqs)
  3. by   hock1
    The LPN's where I work do most of the same work the RN's do, but at a cheaper rate. Alot of LPN's have or are going back to nursing school. LPN's work very hard for little pay considering what they do.
  4. by   alatta58
    [QUOTE=lindarn][QUOTE=schroeders_piano]
    Quote from Houstonnurse
    PERSONALLY, 11 bucks an hr is SO LOW it's outragous,


    I have been reading these post with a very open mind. It wasn't that long ago when I was an LPN working Med/Surg for $12.07/hr. Now I am a RN and one of the night shift charge nurses for the unit. I make $14.77/hr. I currently have 3 LPNs working on my unit and the nights that they work doubles my patient load. As the RN I am responsible for the LPNs patients. I also have to do IV push meds and IV starts. My facility does not allow LPNs to call doctors or take telephone orders. IMO LPNs are not paid what they deserve, but neither are RNs. There has been nights when I was the only RN on the Med/Surg unit with 2 LPNs. These nights are horrible. The LPNs on my unit are well trained, but the LPNs still cannot perform several number of tasks that the RN must do.

    Here in Spokane Washington, Sacred Heart just laid off ALL of their LPNs and are hiring more RN's and CNA's to replace them. They cited the same issues that you just did. An RN has double the patient load & responsibility when there are LPN's. They are not a bargain to have. They are too limited in their scope of practice and make more work for the RN.

    To answer your question, NO, as an RN, you do not get paid enough to be responsible for someones else' patients. LPNs get paid enough in my opinion realted to their low level of education and limited scope of practice.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Spokane, Washington
    All state boards are differ-in their scope of practice. Here in Fl. the only big difference that seperates us is--1) we have to have an addmission countersigned by an RN --2) WE cannot iniate blood --but we change after the 1st bag--3)we can not give IV push meds-but neither can an RN unless she ICU priveleges.--not much diff. is there-Mike
  5. by   DutchgirlRN
    I have been an LPN and am now an RN. I knew as an LPN that I was making all that I could with my level of education. It's not about doing the same job it's about the piece of paper that you have hanging on the wall. I worked hard for 3 years to get my RN. The education was far more in depth than my LPN program was. Having been both I can honestly say that "I" believe we all respectively get paid what we should.
  6. by   DutchgirlRN
    I made $15.78 an hour as an LPN and $24.87 as an RN. I am in Nashville Tennessee. I hope we never move to Wisconsin (no offense) I'm sure it's great but the salaries suck !
  7. by   ann5366
    i'm and lpn in virginia and working 2nd shift i make 14.87 and hour, still not enough money considering you have too many patients and not enough staff and people's lives in your hands
  8. by   alatta58
    Quote from ann5366
    i'm and lpn in virginia and working 2nd shift i make 14.87 and hour, still not enough money considering you have too many patients and not enough staff and people's lives in your hands
    Thats why I left the hospital and work Home Health(florida) . Too many pts. and not enough$$$. In home health I see one pt. at a time and I hustle on my route(6 pts) BID so 72 weekly. I hit $70000 last year and if I picked up a few more pts. I could have hit $100000 last year. Mike Try Home Health-you may like it.
  9. by   jannecdote
    [QUOTE=lindarn][QUOTE=schroeders_piano]
    Quote from Houstonnurse
    Here in Spokane Washington, Sacred Heart just laid off ALL of their LPNs and are hiring more RN's and CNA's to replace them. They cited the same issues that you just did. An RN has double the patient load & responsibility when there are LPN's. They are not a bargain to have. They are too limited in their scope of practice and make more work for the RN.

    To answer your question, NO, as an RN, you do not get paid enough to be responsible for someones else' patients. LPNs get paid enough in my opinion realted to their low level of education and limited scope of practice.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Spokane, Washington
    I disagree. Hospital policies vary as does the scope of practice an LPN is allowed under those policies. Notwithstanding, an RN has upmost responsibility for those she/he is charging, but a well-trained LPN is a good thing to have on board.
  10. by   anndoodle
    I am an LPN at a nursing home on the 11-7 shift. I was recently on the day shift, making approx. $12.00 per hour. I am now making $4 more per hour plus shift diff, thanks to our admin finally deciding to up the payscale due to the nursing shortage in our area. We lost 3 noc nurses, so I volunteered to switch from days to nights to help out....and found that I prefer the night shift.
  11. by   RN34TX
    [QUOTE=lindarn][QUOTE=schroeders_piano]
    Quote from Houstonnurse
    PERSONALLY, 11 bucks an hr is SO LOW it's outragous,


    An RN has double the patient load & responsibility when there are LPN's. They are not a bargain to have. They are too limited in their scope of practice and make more work for the RN.

    To answer your question, NO, as an RN, you do not get paid enough to be responsible for someones else' patients. LPNs get paid enough in my opinion realted to their low level of education and limited scope of practice.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Spokane, Washington
    Maybe I don't understand your comments because my hospital does not use LPN/LVN's and as an RN I never had to be responsible for them.
    However, I was an LPN for 6 years before getting my RN and I've heard it over and over how the RN has the ultimate responsibility and accountability.
    In my LPN years, whenever MD's orders were missed, doctors needed to be called, meds omitted, stuff from previous shift not completed, etc.
    I do not recall ONE single RN ever stepping up to the plate and taking on this so-called ultimate responsibility. It was my job to handle theses issues. It was me, not the RN, who would be written up and held responsible if these things did not get done.
    So what RN are all of you referring to that is so ultimately responsible?
    The charge nurse? Too many (not all) I've worked with feel that their job is merely to answer the phone and make out the next shifts assignment. As an LPN I was left to handle my own patients unless a bag of blood needed to be hung.
    The nursing supervisor? They rarely have any clue as to what's going on with an LPN's patients unless a serious error or situation has already occurred. Too late then isn't it?
    I did work in one hospital that didn't allow LPN's to call MD's or give IV push meds which will make life more difficult for the RN's but whose fault is that?
    This is because many RN's want to keep LPN's in their place and if you widened their scope of practice in states where it is too narrow they are afraid that they will be replaced by LPN's. This thinking of course is ridiculous because you cannot run a hospital without RN's, period.
    As an LPN I've heard the RN's groan about doing the extra tasks that a hospital or state will not allow an LPN to do, but if state boards and hospitals want to keep a limited scope of practice and not allow LPN's to do things that they are perfectly capable of doing, then the RN's will have to take on the extra workload.
    By the way, that "low level of education" comment was a little offensive. Not everyone is cut out to be or have the opportunity to pursue BSN and CCRN credentials.
  12. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    It depends on the area you work and what your responsiblities are. When I was an LPN in LTC back in the 90s, I made $15.00/hr. There was a charge RN in the building, so I did have someone to go to with questions and concerns. I felt my pay was good at the time.

    I'm an RN now, and I feel my wage is fair. But, the LPNs where I work start at about $11.50/hr. I feel they are underpaid.
  13. by   3skilled
    I'm an LPN at a nursing home in eastern PA. My unit is mostly hospice and terminal folks. not all elderly, either. I started @13.45 after 6 months & passing probation got bumped up to 15.50. Our RN's are paperwork and consults. We try to work for the patients 100% Egos DO get in the way!! lol The pay scale also includes heath, ou,scipts,etc. I feel sure i want to make what my RN makes so the answer is to get your gluts to school. Anyone of us lpn,cna and etc. can make the money u want sign that O.T. list, dont say no when they call ya, Work those holidays,or D.T. Yea, hopefully i'll be able to swing classes 4 R.N. I personally want the total patient care responsibility. But, after Knowing myself, I would want Doc's rate for diagnosis and the saving phone call!!! 3 skilled

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