Do Day Nurses Really Feel that Night Nurses Do Nothing All Night? - page 8

Having worked the 12 hour night shift in many hospitals I find the same things. Day shift nurses leave us so much work to do that we're playing catch up all night. We start off 2 hours behind... Read More

  1. by   GRASSCUTTER
    [quote=grace90;1315442]I can relate to A LOT of this, since I work on nights in med-surg. *Mandatory* inservices and educational classes are *never* offered on our shift- usually they are scheduled right after our shift- starting at 0730 when our shift is supposed to end. We usually don't get out right on time, and after being up all night most of us could not sit through a 2 hour class and comprehend it all. Or else they are scheduled in the middle of the morning or afternoon when we are sleeping.


    This burns my hide. I am an Educator. I work in a rural community hospital. I have tried every schedule I can think of and night shift at my hospital responds as above. Come in on their shift, they don't have enough time to attend, not enough to cover the floors. Okay, start at am shift change--They can't come, kids to get off to school, or too tired. Come in an hour early before shift start, They can't come, have to spend that time with family, can't--makes my shift too long. :wink2:Okay schedule on days off--"Can't, it is on my first day off, Can't it is on my only "feel good" second day off.:zzzzz--Scheduling inservices for night shift is a PAIN. :bowingpur They cannot be pleased, no way. I asked them to choose and I would accomodidate them, they never did get back with me after 3 weeks. Well, now (after 4 years of trying) I am over trying. I schedule to my hours now.
  2. by   Ginger45
    I don't. I have worked nights as well although I now work days. Most of your codes happen at night, you have less staff, and more pts.
  3. by   class 5
    I have been a night nurse for 4 years on a med- surg floor 12hr shifts..and for some reason there is the misconception that night nurses have it easier.. and that patients sleep nice and quiet all night..I am here to say we do not have it easier at all from my experience.. my patients with dementia love to try and climb out of bed and become combative around 2-3 am.. the foleys get pulled out,iv's get pulled out, never mind the 10pm,12am,6am meds and once in a while 2am meds and iv piggybacks to be hung..patients tend to call more for pain meds,( esp.my sickle cell pt's.. )spike temps, have blood sugar drop, fall, code and feel anxious during the night... residents changing orders....The ER is buzzin and admissions coming I usually got 1 -2 per shift..and my facility is still writing everything!!! one ward clerk floating to all the 4 floors on nights..and having to help cna with am care at 5am especially with my vent patients, or pt. who had wound care, inc.care, etc...night nurses can I get a witness? Respect to all my day and night nurses we all work our butts off and are never truly given the respect we deserve!!!
  4. by   Jessy_RN
    Quote from class 5
    I have been a night nurse for 4 years on a med- surg floor 12hr shifts..and for some reason there is the misconception that night nurses have it easier.. and that patients sleep nice and quiet all night..I am here to say we do not have it easier at all from my experience.. my patients with dementia love to try and climb out of bed and become combative around 2-3 am.. the foleys get pulled out,iv's get pulled out, never mind the 10pm,12am,6am meds and once in a while 2am meds and iv piggybacks to be hung..patients tend to call more for pain meds,( esp.my sickle cell pt's.. )spike temps, have blood sugar drop, fall, code and feel anxious during the night... residents changing orders....The ER is buzzin and admissions coming I usually got 1 -2 per shift..and my facility is still writing everything!!! one ward clerk floating to all the 4 floors on nights..and having to help cna with am care at 5am especially with my vent patients, or pt. who had wound care, inc.care, etc...night nurses can I get a witness? Respect to all my day and night nurses we all work our butts off and are never truly given the respect we deserve!!!
    Amen!!

    Plus, reporting off to 4 nurses in the am because they have 3 pts a piece and I have 8. Always the same on my floor.......no secretary, no sitters, 2 aides for 46 pts, no transportation aide, housekeeper. As opposed to 5 aides in the day, 2 secretaries, 4 transportation aides, no chart checks required, etc.

    I'm convinced that the reason we make it through the night sometimes is by the grace of God and the outstanding teamwork we have. If we didn't, we would never make it.

    Oh and after I'm done with report at 0800, off I go to a mandatory staff meeting or inservice. Only to get out of there God knows when and come back to work that night. Burns my bottom!

    Sorry for the vent!
    Last edit by Jessy_RN on Apr 29, '08
  5. by   nurseknowsbest
    maybe somebody can tell me why nurse educators want night nurses
    to orient on days? I am a 20 year veteran of nights. I only want to work
    nights, so why do educators want to mess up my bio-rhythm to orient
    on days, when I was hired for nights? I do not like days for several
    reasons. Days has too many people just walking around. I don't like the
    distraction. Also as I have gotten older, getting large people up for meals
    by myself is exhausting and a danger to my back. Anybody have a
    suggestion on how to approach my educator to tell her to get me off
    of days? The CVICU where I transferred is just as busy on nights as
    days. Help!
  6. by   nelcoy4
    [QUOTE=GRASSCUTTER;2800889]
    Quote from grace90
    I can relate to A LOT of this, since I work on nights in med-surg. *Mandatory* inservices and educational classes are *never* offered on our shift- usually they are scheduled right after our shift- starting at 0730 when our shift is supposed to end. We usually don't get out right on time, and after being up all night most of us could not sit through a 2 hour class and comprehend it all. Or else they are scheduled in the middle of the morning or afternoon when we are sleeping.


    This burns my hide. I am an Educator. I work in a rural community hospital. I have tried every schedule I can think of and night shift at my hospital responds as above. Come in on their shift, they don't have enough time to attend, not enough to cover the floors. Okay, start at am shift change--They can't come, kids to get off to school, or too tired. Come in an hour early before shift start, They can't come, have to spend that time with family, can't--makes my shift too long. :wink2:Okay schedule on days off--"Can't, it is on my first day off, Can't it is on my only "feel good" second day off.:zzzzz--Scheduling inservices for night shift is a PAIN. :bowingpur They cannot be pleased, no way. I asked them to choose and I would accomodidate them, they never did get back with me after 3 weeks. Well, now (after 4 years of trying) I am over trying. I schedule to my hours now.
    My unit clinical specialist is good with this. She comes into work at 6am everyday. When she has to do little inservices for night-shift, she comes in at 5-5:30. My nurse manager does the same for our unit meetings. When new products are being introduced the people come in, in the middle of the night and teach us. Sometimes she just prints the mins of the meeting and have us initial that we read it. Now the hospital inservices or confrence(sp), not to many night-shifters attend because it is not night shift friendly. That's like telling a day shift person to wake up in the middle of the night to go to work to sit and learn. These confrences are usually 8am-4pm. Since the only shift I do is nights, my body is programmed to sleep during the day, even if I'm off.
  7. by   Gretchen, SN
    I'm a unit secretary (and a nursing student) and I work from 3-11 pm.

    Every shift the day nurses complain about the night nurses and the night nurses complain about the day nurses and I hear it all. They always vent to me and I just smile and nod. It's funny because they just assume I agree with them, but I don't. The truth is: they ALL work really hard. They ALL think that if they don't do something it's because they were too busy, but if the other shift doesn't do it then they're lazy and/or incompetent.

    I don't know why it's like this because 99% of the nurses I work with are caring, competent, and hardworking. The teamwork between shifts just isn't there. It's sad because there's a lot of negativity that really doesn't need to be there.

    Some previous posters mentioned that management encourages this kind of thing (in order to 'conquer and divide') and this really interests me. I'm going to keep my eyes open and see if the management on my unit does this too--would kind of explain why such great individuals are having such a hard time with teamwork...
  8. by   smk1
    [QUOTE=GRASSCUTTER;2800889]
    Quote from grace90
    I can relate to A LOT of this, since I work on nights in med-surg. *Mandatory* inservices and educational classes are *never* offered on our shift- usually they are scheduled right after our shift- starting at 0730 when our shift is supposed to end. We usually don't get out right on time, and after being up all night most of us could not sit through a 2 hour class and comprehend it all. Or else they are scheduled in the middle of the morning or afternoon when we are sleeping.


    This burns my hide. I am an Educator. I work in a rural community hospital. I have tried every schedule I can think of and night shift at my hospital responds as above. Come in on their shift, they don't have enough time to attend, not enough to cover the floors. Okay, start at am shift change--They can't come, kids to get off to school, or too tired. Come in an hour early before shift start, They can't come, have to spend that time with family, can't--makes my shift too long. :wink2:Okay schedule on days off--"Can't, it is on my first day off, Can't it is on my only "feel good" second day off.:zzzzz--Scheduling inservices for night shift is a PAIN. :bowingpur They cannot be pleased, no way. I asked them to choose and I would accomodidate them, they never did get back with me after 3 weeks. Well, now (after 4 years of trying) I am over trying. I schedule to my hours now.
    Get a video camera and tape the dang inservice/meeting or class and make a few copies of the tape and then night shift can check them out and watch them and take a quick 10 question quiz over the info provided and be done with it. All of the excuses that you mentioned are pretty valid. Yes it makes your job harder, but that's why creativity is needed.
  9. by   Melinurse
    OMG, I am so glad someone else has said it. Those of us who work nights really do work. Who do you think has to calm down the dementia pts on the floor? Sundowner's? Full moon? Yep, night nurses. Not only do we have to do all the care plans for day shift but we have to do our own too and take more patients. Talk about a rock and a hard place. I think every single day shift nurse should once a year spend a week working nights.( just so they can relax)Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.
  10. by   Irish Nurse 89
    I work in a very busy ER, that most of the time has a high patient flow rate, and as a result of this, I believe the night nurses work just as hard as the day nurses.
  11. by   owensmommy
    I have worked day and night shift. I find that day shift is much busier...more meds to pass, 3 meals to help with and give insulins, bath/bed changes, tons of physician orders, all testing, dealing with all the family, etc. Night shift can be busy for other reasons. For instance, there are usually fewer nurses on night shift. But, it was almost guaranteed that you would have a few hours of down time where you could surf the net, do bills, eat, gossip, etc. All shifts leave things for the next shift to finish up. That's why we are in operation 24/7.
  12. by   Melinurse
    Owensmommy, what hospital do you work at? Seriously, I'd love a night shift where there is down time. I have NOT had a "lunch" break in 7 years. Where I work it is NON-STOP all night. OMG! We run 8 patients to 1 RN and 15patients to 1 CNA. And still, I'd call it lucky to be able to take just a bathroom break. Usually by morning our bladders are at the top of our minds. I also have worked first and second shifts and don't doubt for one minute that they are working equally as hard ( just with different stuff ).
  13. by   MassED
    Quote from Brita01
    Having worked the 12 hour night shift in many hospitals I find the same things. Day shift nurses leave us so much work to do that we're playing catch up all night. We start off 2 hours behind because we're finishing things left over from the day shift. I've had times when I'm still giving 9pm meds at almost midnite because things were so screwed up starting out. Then we have to do our night shift paperwork and deal with the patients who do NOT "sleep all night". Part of the night shift paperwork involves getting things proper and ready for the day shift to use. And I swear if something gets missed by us we WILL hear about it. It really burns my butt when they come in in the morning complaining about what the night shift didn't do because we ask their secretary to make a call or two for a consult. BUT it's ok for the day shift to pass things to us because it's a "24 hour care hospital". I'm just curious. How many day nurses out there believe that the night nurses should be able to do it all because we have nothing to do anyway?
    not in an ER. We're equally killed.

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