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Is DNR (do not resuscitate) a good idea?



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from sharrie
Old Jun 11, 2008, 04:50 PM

Default Re: Is DNR (do not resuscitate) a good idea?
Originally Posted by gentylwind View Post
Even my 13-year-old son was able to handle having this conversation. He died of AML in January of 2007. Just prior to TBI for SCT, the doctor mentioned a living will. Joseph wanted to know what that was, we talked about it, he thought about it and then calmly told us if there was no chance he would get well, to let him go. Months later, after four weeks on a ventilator for CMV pneumonitis, the day after his doctors gently suggested for the first time there was no hope, we made the decision to release him from his suffering. He passed within five minutes of the machines being turned off. It gives me peace to know we honored his wishes. It is unfortunate that more people cannot respect the desires of the dying. There IS such a thing as a good death. To me, DNR can be one part in allowing a good death to happen. His passing was peaceful, dignified and calm with all his nurses and his oncologist and critical care doctor at the bedside with his father and I, honoring his quiet transition rather than descending into frantic drug pushing, chest cracking chaos.

I am in favor of DNR in terminally ill patients if that is the patient's wish. Not everyone is able to accept one day they are going to die unfortunately.

I am so sorry about your son and I just wanted to thank you for sharing your story. He was so very lucky to have a mum who was able to respect his wishes and act in his best interest. Thank you so much for sharing, it's accounts like yours that helps reminds those who are caring about the other side.
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No. 21
from walk6miles
Old Jun 11, 2008, 06:40 PM

Default Re: Is DNR (do not resuscitate) a good idea?
In my opinion, DNR can frequently back-fire on the patient. Many doctors and nurses interpret the DNR to mean "do not treat". So we receive a cachetic, bedsore ridden shell of a person from the nursing home; frequently they have been displaying sypmtoms of pneumonia or sepsis for several days. Treatment is often minimized or worse, withdrawn because they are 94 years old and "it's their time".
I would never advocate NOT treating someone however, treatment should be appropriate with the patient's wishes. Everyone has seen (at least once) a family over rule a mother's/dad's wishes. It is the most selfish kind of love when the son or daughter says to the doctor "I know my mother never wanted to be intubated but she's unconscious now and I want every thing done for her." Maintaining a balance between family members should never fall to the health care workers BUT frequently it does.
Knowing how much to do and when to call it ENOUGH and make the patient comfortable with the proverbial "family filled room" comes with experience. Frequently nurses are not willing to speak up and educate the family; it's a very hard thing to do. This sort of experience happens more and more frequently today simply because medicine has developed so many treatments that work to prolong life. It's a two-sided blade.
Just my humble opinion.
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from tencat
Old Jun 11, 2008, 08:30 PM

Default Re: Is DNR (do not resuscitate) a good idea?
Originally Posted by walk6miles View Post
In my opinion, DNR can frequently back-fire on the patient. Many doctors and nurses interpret the DNR to mean "do not treat". So we receive a cachetic, bedsore ridden shell of a person from the nursing home; frequently they have been displaying sypmtoms of pneumonia or sepsis for several days. Treatment is often minimized or worse, withdrawn because they are 94 years old and "it's their time".
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I think that experience might have more to do with the horrible understaffing conditions rampant in so many nursing homes than with one having a DNR.
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No. 23
from miko014
Old Jun 12, 2008, 01:07 AM

Default Re: Is DNR (do not resuscitate) a good idea?
Originally Posted by walk6miles View Post
In my opinion, DNR can frequently back-fire on the patient. Many doctors and nurses interpret the DNR to mean "do not treat". So we receive a cachetic, bedsore ridden shell of a person from the nursing home; frequently they have been displaying sypmtoms of pneumonia or sepsis for several days. Treatment is often minimized or worse, withdrawn because they are 94 years old and "it's their time".
I would never advocate NOT treating someone however, treatment should be appropriate with the patient's wishes. Everyone has seen (at least once) a family over rule a mother's/dad's wishes. It is the most selfish kind of love when the son or daughter says to the doctor "I know my mother never wanted to be intubated but she's unconscious now and I want every thing done for her." Maintaining a balance between family members should never fall to the health care workers BUT frequently it does.
Knowing how much to do and when to call it ENOUGH and make the patient comfortable with the proverbial "family filled room" comes with experience. Frequently nurses are not willing to speak up and educate the family; it's a very hard thing to do. This sort of experience happens more and more frequently today simply because medicine has developed so many treatments that work to prolong life. It's a two-sided blade.
Just my humble opinion.
Interesting perspective. What's your answer? Do you think it should be just up to the docs? Everyone stays a full code until the docs say "okay, enough, we're done here, DNR". Should we code everybody no matter what? Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to challenge you or argue with you. I've seen what you're talking about (not on our floor, thankfully - we specialize in DNRs), and it infuriates me. Youre a DNR? You've got pneumonia? Cool, have some antibiotics and go ahout your business. But you're right, a lot of the time it's "oh well, time for you to go!" Just wondering where that side of your mind goes.
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