Disability..out of hand? - page 2

Lately, (maybe it's cause I'm getting older), I have noticed more and more people that I know getting on disability. Most of these same people were not "good work ethic" people to begin with. I get... Read More

  1. by   Huganurse
    Just want it to be known that this thread has nothing to do with people who are on disability for legitamate reasons or should be on it. I am talking about people who have a history of not being able to keep jobs and are NOT work ethic people and use the first excuse they can find to apply and obtain disability. Under 40 and active. I know there are always going to be people who try and do beat the system b/c that is just the way they are. I just wondered if others had noticed an increase in those type cases or if they knew why it seems easier to get disability for some people. Las Vegas is right on IMO, makes total since to me now. Thank you.
    And thanks to Nurse Dennie and Mattsmom for some confirmation of my suspicions with the examples.
    Nurse Dennie your hubby may be on to something here. I have some personal experience with not getting a small hand when needed due to being a nurse, both from public entities, and friends and family. They just envision the big $ and that's it. Since we are by nature a self sufficient bunch in the first place, I guess it never dawns on them that one of us might need help at times. We are the helpers and givers, oppisites of slackers and takers. I have asked employers if they have a fund or cash on hand to help any nurses in a financial or in a distress emergency. None of them did. When a new nurses home burnt down while I was working at the hospital, nobody came running to help out. It was as if it would be degrading to her by giving her our hand me downs. The management said they couldn't help either. The fund that we started was given and minimal. What gives here? Is that thinking prevelant and based on the same mentality as nurses who have been denied disablity?
    Last edit by Huganurse on Apr 30, '02
  2. by   kids
    I have many comments on people who marginally deserve disability and are receiving it.

    I will keep them to my self as I eat my 2nd of 3 daily doses of Kadian 80 mg, plop my back with its 5 failed surguries in my wheel chair and go to work.

    Why am I going to work? Because at 38 years old the SSA says I'm not eligible for disability because I can be drugged to a tolerable pain level and the wheel chair takes care of the fact I can't walk more than 50 feet.

    God bless those of you Nurses that had the courage and strength to fight them. I didn't.
  3. by   Lausana
    Did anyone catch The View this morning? They had Greta Van Sustren (of OJ fame) on discussing outrageous legal cases currently going on...anyway, one case was a phone sex operator who had filed a worker's comp claim because she said she'd developed carpel tunnel from, ahem, her daily "on-the-job-activities" and believe it or not she won the case and was going to actually receive money????

    [sigh]
  4. by   LasVegasRN
    Lausana,
    I'm not surprised! The "legal" prostitutes out here in Nye County are completely covered unders workers compensation.

    That's Sin City for ya....
  5. by   mattsmom81
    Ya mean if they get a STD or worse, the taxpayers support them???
  6. by   traumaRUs
    This is really a sore subject with a lot of people. In Illinois (maybe other states too?), it is a lifelong disability to be an alcoholic - can't work, so you get state aid, etc..!!!! Now, while I agree that alcoholism isn't curable it can be controlled and should not result in long term disability. My son (who is 17) is severely mentally ill and could qualify for SSI (or so I've been told). However, when he takes his meds, he is just fine. So...he takes his meds, goes to school, works and is a responsible member of society. My oldest son (21) has asthma, been intubated x3, multiple meds, etc. Is he on SSI? No, he graduated from college, works fulltime and is a very productive member of our world.

    I think a lot is attitude...I also think that unfortunately some undeserving people get on SSI too.
  7. by   teeituptom
    Howdy Yall
    from deep in the heart of texas

    Disability has become the american dream,and a long time ago I stopped worrying about it, and worrying about how some people got on it. All that thinking about it is enough to give you ulcers, gray hair, and most importantly interfere with your golf swing. If there is nothing you can do about it, why fuss about it, it aint gonna do you any good atall. I say be respectfull of yourself, your achievements, and your ethics in regard to work, and what is just as in accordance with your upbringing. DONT SWEAT THE THINGS YOU AINT GONNA CHANGE.

    keep it in the short grass yall
    teeituptom
  8. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    Originally posted by teeituptom
    DONT SWEAT THE THINGS YOU AINT GONNA CHANGE.
    We sweat these things because they threaten the very people that disability was meant to serve.

    People lie and cheat to get money they aren't entitled to, and this in turn makes it difficult for the people who really need it. I've known people who don't pursue disability bebefits because there are too many hoops they need to jump through, too much of a runaround. Why? Because of the scammers.

    I just watched an interesting show the other night on TV. It was all about undercover operations to catch people scamming disability and workers comp. Showed home videos of the claimants lifting weights, riding surfboards, shooting some hoops, etc. What a wonderful idea!

    Heather
  9. by   LasVegasRN
    Mattsmom - yes. Remember workers comp is intended to cover you for any injury that arises out of the "course and scope" of your employment.

    The, ahem, "working women" of Nye County are required to have their clients wear... er, ah.... protective gear in order to reduce the risk of any contact with... uh.. hazardous materials. hee. :imbar
  10. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    Originally posted by LasVegasRN
    Mattsmom - yes. Remember workers comp is intended to cover you for any injury that arises out of the "course and scope" of your employment.

    The, ahem, "working women" of Nye County are required to have their clients wear... er, ah.... protective gear in order to reduce the risk of any contact with... uh.. hazardous materials. hee. :imbar
    Are you for real? Do they pay taxes on their earnings?

    Heather
  11. by   LasVegasRN
    Heather,
    Yes they do. Just like any other "job".
  12. by   jfpruitt
    Well, to be frank, these people LIE!!!! I have worked for disability claims for 4 years now while attending nursing school. I do claims everyday and the majority of these people are allowed on mental disabilities vs physical ones. They Lie and say that they can not get out of bed in the morning from depression, yet, they are out on Friday nights with their buddies. Working for SSA is VERY frustrating for me. It is extremely hard to distinguish b/w the liars and cheats. I work it everyday, I KNOW!!!
  13. by   LasVegasRN
    jf - I can partially relate to what you are saying, only because I did disability management for 7 years. BUT I had to remember that what I was seeing was the worst cases. I didn't see the people who were on disability, recovered without incident, and went back to work.

    Now, a word about mental disabilities... I have a very dear friend who is a Vietnam Vet. I think most would agree that they deserve disability and THEN some. He was a combat Vet, awarded a bronze star, the whole nine yards. I won't go into his whole story, but when he asked me to help fill out his SSA forms, it was horrible. The forms are geared towards people with PHYSICAL disabilities - it was clearly biased and in my opinion extremely unfair. They should have a form for mental disability assessments that is written so that a person with a 4th grade education can fill it out (that's what they're saying the norm of our nation is).

    Anyway, I've seen him not be able to get out of bed in the morning from depression, flash-backs, and nightmares and go out on Friday night for a bender. I'm not trying to defend everyone, but I know from first-hand experience, they are not all liars.

    Just MHO.

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