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No. 190
Old Jan 17, 2009, 12:33 PM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Truth66 View Post
Thank you for the feedback thus far. However, I think that there's some clarification that needs to be done.
1) Our collective aggreement states "The parties hereto agree that in every instance the employee shall pay a fair price for any meals obtained which shall in no intance be less than the actual cost of furnishing such meals, and the said cost shall be computed by the Corporation. When employees bring their own meal, they shall use the designated dining area for the consumption of same." In other words all employees are entitled to purchase a meal.
2) Up until the the first week of December, every employee in the building was entitled to purchase a full hot meal of what ever was being served to the residents that particular day. Every employee was treated equally. The only difference was that there was different meal times.
3) After the first week of December the employer singled out two categories of workers and said that they were not allowed to purchase a full hot meal like everyone else.
4) If the employer would have allowed the Practical Nurses and Care Aides to change their break times to eat their lunch after 12:30 pm like everyone else then there would be no arguement. Then everyone would once again still be treated equally and all entitled to purchase a full hot meal.
As it stands now the Practical Nurses and the Care Aides are not treated equally, thus the filing of the grievence.
I guess "full" needs to be defined. Also, if I started work at 06 or 07, I'd be ready for lunch at 1030 or 11, not after 12:30. easiest fix is to make sure all 3 lunch times only get soup and sandwich. Or, lunch times could rotate, that is, one week a worker eats at first meal period, next week at 2nd meal period, next week at 3rd.

Be glad you get a lunch break. So many do not. Yeah, it's not the greatest meal in the world but it is free I think and will keep you going for a few hours. Or just bring your lunch.
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No. 191
Old Jan 17, 2009, 12:40 PM
Updated Jan 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM by Vito Andolini

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by tnrose View Post
was that really necessary? I don't think she was asking for a spell checker
but spelling is important. In truth, it is pretty annoying to see so many spelling errors. I guess it could have been said more nicely.

Definitely triple
can't think of other words that are so often butchered here. But they are.

Oh, well...
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No. 192
Old Jan 17, 2009, 12:43 PM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Fiona59 View Post
Have I just blown every stereotype that the rest of the world has of Canadians? Yup, we're all super polite, deferential, keep our views to ourselves, say "eh" all the time, and keep a team of sled dogs by the igloo???
And play hockey and love the queen, righto?
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No. 193
Old Jan 17, 2009, 12:54 PM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by NurseKatie08 View Post
In an economy where many nurses are struggling to find jobs, I wouldn't dare complain about your employer "only" providing soup & a sandwich. I work in a LTC/Short term rehab facility & employee's aren't provided meals at all. Occasionally, the dietary aides will offer food to staff if there is leftover after the residents & short term patients are served, but it is by no means expected. Consider yourself lucky for what you have.
Our dietary staff were ordered to throw out all leftovers. Health laws, you know. What an unconscionable waste. I'd bet that a lot of them took a lot of leftovers home.

There are some good points being made about unions, not being happy with scraps, having a fighting spirit, not giving in to DON's who try to run roughshod over people. Right on! I hope more Americans will study our history and get their backs up to fight bullies and thieves, whatever form these take. We're in for some very hard times economically and we have to remember that only average people are going to starve and be homeless. The wealthy and powerful, like this Madoff guy, are still in their penthouses, laughing all the way to the Caymans. Their judge buddies lock them up on house arrest instead of billeting them in prison without bail, as they have done the bidding of their New World Order masters, the global elite who think of most of us as uselsss eaters. Remember Rose of Sharon and the closing scene in the book?
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No. 194
from nursemike
Old Jan 17, 2009, 03:53 PM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Vito Andolini View Post
Our dietary staff were ordered to throw out all leftovers. Health laws, you know. What an unconscionable waste. I'd bet that a lot of them took a lot of leftovers home.

There are some good points being made about unions, not being happy with scraps, having a fighting spirit, not giving in to DON's who try to run roughshod over people. Right on! I hope more Americans will study our history and get their backs up to fight bullies and thieves, whatever form these take. We're in for some very hard times economically and we have to remember that only average people are going to starve and be homeless. The wealthy and powerful, like this Madoff guy, are still in their penthouses, laughing all the way to the Caymans. Their judge buddies lock them up on house arrest instead of billeting them in prison without bail, as they have done the bidding of their New World Order masters, the global elite who think of most of us as uselsss eaters. Remember Rose of Sharon and the closing scene in the book?

Whenever some DON won't let a nurse go to lunch or even use the bathroom, I'll be there. Whenever some doc orders Q2H vitals or some family-member berates an aide, or Security says, "You can't smoke there," I'll be there...

I love that book.
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No. 195
from nursemike
Old Jan 17, 2009, 03:59 PM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Vito Andolini View Post
And play hockey and love the queen, righto?
Don't forget prettiest national anthem on the planet.
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No. 196
Old Jan 18, 2009, 04:54 AM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Vito Andolini View Post
Our dietary staff were ordered to throw out all leftovers. Health laws, you know. What an unconscionable waste. I'd bet that a lot of them took a lot of leftovers home.

There are some good points being made about unions, not being happy with scraps, having a fighting spirit, not giving in to DON's who try to run roughshod over people. Right on! I hope more Americans will study our history and get their backs up to fight bullies and thieves, whatever form these take. We're in for some very hard times economically and we have to remember that only average people are going to starve and be homeless. The wealthy and powerful, like this Madoff guy, are still in their penthouses, laughing all the way to the Caymans. Their judge buddies lock them up on house arrest instead of billeting them in prison without bail, as they have done the bidding of their New World Order masters, the global elite who think of most of us as uselsss eaters. Remember Rose of Sharon and the closing scene in the book?

I cant agree more. When we accept less, we get even less than that!!!

However I don't think Madoff had a hand in this situation although I am furious at what he did and so many are suffering because of his reckless, selfish, unexcuseable ( i know it is not a real word but it works for me) actions. You can blame him (Madoff ) for what he did do- but I am sure that he had nothing to do with this Canadian Nursing Homes policy on feeding their staff.
When we add things that don't belong, we dilute our arguments. Lets stick to the facts and what the staff deserves. People have to right to say that the staff should be grateful for the crumbs they are given. I have been very consistent about this.
Its been some time how has this issue been resolved???
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No. 197
Old Jan 19, 2009, 04:26 AM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Vito Andolini View Post
I guess "full" needs to be defined. Also, if I started work at 06 or 07, I'd be ready for lunch at 1030 or 11, not after 12:30. easiest fix is to make sure all 3 lunch times only get soup and sandwich. Or, lunch times could rotate, that is, one week a worker eats at first meal period, next week at 2nd meal period, next week at 3rd.

Be glad you get a lunch break. So many do not. Yeah, it's not the greatest meal in the world but it is free I think and will keep you going for a few hours. Or just bring your lunch.
Perhaps we should be grateful for the digoxin and lasix that we are given from the pharmacy in order to give to our patients, maybe we should provide that out of pocket too!!!
WE ARE PEOPLE NOT SLAVES!!!!!
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No. 198
from Atheos
Old Jan 19, 2009, 09:47 AM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Truth66 View Post
Thank you for the feedback thus far. However, I think that there's some clarification that needs to be done.
1) Our collective aggreement states "The parties hereto agree that in every instance the employee shall pay a fair price for any meals obtained which shall in no instance be less than the actual cost of furnishing such meals, and the said cost shall be computed by the Corporation. When employees bring their own meal, they shall use the designated dining area for the consumption of same." In other words all employees are entitled to purchase a meal.
I'm STILL not understanding the problem.

The OP answered their own question. The employer is still in compliance with the contract.

"The parties hereto agree that in every instance the employee shall pay a fair price for any meals obtained which shall in no instance be less than the actual cost of furnishing such meals, and the said cost shall be computed by the Corporation. When employees bring their own meal, they shall use the designated dining area for the consumption of same."

This DOES NOT imply or state that employees are to be given a meal. IT says that if they are then the price has to be set at a certain level. Even if the courts decided it implied a lunch for employees NO WHERE does it say it has to be full, hot or the same as everyone else?

It also doesn't say you get a full, hot meal.

I'm not sure what everyone is reading but it is right there in English. Take it to a Attorney. It's no longer a matter of opinion. The company, by the OP's very own words, is NOT obligated to provide anything.

Much less a 'full, hot lunch.'

No clarification is needed. In contract law the contract is king and if the contract states what the OP posted then they are out of luck. In EVERY country.
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No. 199
from Truth66
Old Jan 19, 2009, 01:43 PM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
There is no resolution to the meal issue where I work as of yet and once this issue is resolved I will post it here. However, I'm very much concerned with regards to the many who have posted that they are lucky to get any type of lunch break. I would suggest that those nurses check with what ever government agency there is in your area that governs employment standards. Here in Ontario, all employers are accountable to the Employment Standards Act. Read the attached link and you will see that employers have to provide a 30 minute meal break after working 5 hours.
http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/...nfo_hours.html
Now I would be the first one to agree that many nurses don't take these breaks here in Ontario because they are routinely bullied by the employer, patients and family members. Nurses are not slaves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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