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No. 90
from Freedom42
Old Dec 29, 2008, 09:44 PM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Mr Ian View Post
Re - Canadaian/Australian unions/rights - I agree that it seems there is a huge difference in how these two country's unions function in support of their members. My guess would be American unions and their leaders suffer the same fat-cat mentality that most capitalist 'businesses' do and there are much less demands made by American nurses. Again, correct me if I am wrong - but you pay to be a member of a union that represents YOUR nursing employment issues - or is it just for the privilege of tagging along while the union determines what is of interest to them?
Most American nurses are not unionized. Are there great unions in this country that work in partnership with employers to benefit all? Yes. Are there unions in this country with fat cat mentalities? Yes. Unions reflect the people who belong to them and work for them. People who choose to do nothing but complain about their unions find themselves in these unhappy situations. The irony is, it's not people like the OP -- people who stand up for themselves -- who need unions. It's the people who complaint that they don't get benefits -- but who don't stand up for themselves, either -- who do.

Given the economic conditions that lie ahead, I fear this is something many nurses will learn the hard way. And before critics turn up the flames, I ask that you please consider what you are guaranteed to get for a raise next year, what your guaranteed health benefits will be, and under what conditions you'll be guaranteed turn-around pay. You might not like the OP's complaint, but her employer has legally guaranteed the conditions of her labor, employment, and payment, and she expects that agreement to be honored just as she honors it with her labor every day. Can you say the same of the company you work for?
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No. 91
Old Dec 29, 2008, 11:15 PM

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I have eaten my supper while I passed meds, sometimes I have not been able to leave the floor to grab my lunch from staff fridge. Every nurse I work with has experienced the same. Enjoy your soup and sandwich.
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No. 92
Old Dec 30, 2008, 08:29 AM

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My union is worse than useless! Negotiated contracts(on which we always lose something), are not honored and nothing is done about it! I am sorry, I need my union dues in my pocket, more than this half a$$ed group does. It doesn't matter who says what, they are terrible! Positions are being eliminated, staffing is horrible, and I am not paid what I could've been paid at other hospitals. I work, where I work because I liked the people-otherwise it would never have happened!

Unions had their place, but as we see with the car industry...police...and others we lose when others make money for sometimes not working, getting paid forever for others, and the ability to work o/t for a few years and retiring with huge amounts. This also goes for unused time off-obviously if it couldn't be used...itoo much was given!

NJ in particular suffers from one of the highest property taxes due to government workers unions draining us dry, this includes fire, police, and especially the schools. While I agree some teachers should be paid well, there is no measure on their productivity and I resent paying them six figures and a great retirement.

So sorry for the union rant....I still say they are lucky to be able to eat at a scheduled time and always know they will get it. For the rest of us, we can't just walk off the floor. Somehow I don't even think the union nurses with "great" environments would appreciate the whistle blowing while they were having an MI! "Oh too bad, got to get my cup of Joe....do you think you can hang for 15?"
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No. 93
from Mr Ian
Old Dec 30, 2008, 09:06 AM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by MAISY, RN-ER View Post
For the rest of us, we can't just walk off the floor. Somehow I don't even think the union nurses with "great" environments would appreciate the whistle blowing while they were having an MI! "Oh too bad, got to get my cup of Joe....do you think you can hang for 15?"
I understand the sentiment - and I am equally aggravated that the only consequence of nurses taking action seems to be patients suffer. But that didn't stop the Victorian nurses in Australia back in 1986...

Dedication doesn’t pay the rent!
The 1986 Victorian nurses’ strike

LIZ ROSS
This chapter is based on my own direct involvement with the strike. An earlier version appeared as ‘Sisters are Doing It for Themselves ... and Us’, Hecate, vol XIII (1) 1987, later reprinted as a pamphlet, Dedication Doesn’t Pay the Rent!, Socialist Action, 1987.
Nurses are often seen as the archetypal ‘handmaidens’ of men. Yet if there was ever an experience that demolished this image, it was the Victorian nurses’ strike of 1986, in which a predominantly female workforce took on and defeated the State Labor government.
Nurses’ militancy stemmed from two different kinds of experiences. The first was of working within the system, taking part in government reviews, lobbying and having high level meetings with the health minister ¾ and getting nowhere. Hospital waiting lists in Victoria reached 27,000 before the strike, and the Cain Labor government had cut the health budget, in real terms, every year since 1982-83. The toll on nurses was disastrous: they topped the 1986 compensation claims. 10,000 left nursing in 1985, and a further 8000 did not renew their practicing certificates, leaving the State with a shortfall of about 14,000 nurses.
The second, over the decade or so before the strike, was of going outside the system, taking direct action.
http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/in...men/nurses.htm

Victorian nurses strike for fifty days in response to lack of action by the government in securing their award conditions. It is the longest strike by women in Australia since the nineteenth-century Tailoresses' strike. Threatened with dismissal, criminal charges, the use of the Essential Services Act, and even police action to disrupt picket lines, the nurses remain on strike and achieve "career structure" reforms.
http://www.atua.org.au/biogs/ALE1530b.htm
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No. 94
from nursemike
Old Dec 30, 2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by withasmilelpn View Post
Many CNAs don't feel valued often. Their's is a low paid job with little respect for what they do. LPNs sometimes feel that way as well. Although it is indeed a 'little thing' in comparison, it is often the sum total of 'little things' that lead you to feel a valued member of your organization. Think how often a simple acknowledgement from a patient or management makes a difference in your day. I wouldn't be surprised if this slight no matter how small, leads to staff turnover. I think that if they are smart, they will either offer to change the times for lunch, return to their previous menu, or yes- only offer a 'soup and sandwich' plan for everybody. My .
That's kinda what struck me about the OP, too. If anything, it would make sense to me to make sure those whose work tends to be more physical get a good meal.

I would also like to commend all who've advised the OP to quit whining on yet another outstanding display of nursing unity. Way to go, team.
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No. 95
from nursemike
Old Dec 30, 2008, 09:57 AM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Mr Ian View Post
I understand the sentiment - and I am equally aggravated that the only consequence of nurses taking action seems to be patients suffer. But that didn't stop the Victorian nurses in Australia back in 1986...

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/in...men/nurses.htm

http://www.atua.org.au/biogs/ALE1530b.htm
My reading skills are going downhill, fast. On the first reading, I took this to be a strike by nurses in the days of Florence Nightengale (i.e. Victorian era, or thereabouts.) Guess I should be happy it wasn't in British Columbia (BC). I'd have been picturing a bunch of pickets wearing mastodon furs, or something.

It all makes more sense after re-reading.
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No. 96
from Bronx_RN
Old Dec 30, 2008, 10:02 AM

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In my facility the LPNs and CNAs are union workers and the RNs are not. The difference in treatment has convinced me that if at all possible a union position is the way to go. My facility recruits Philippine nurses via an agency, gives them a free apartment (which they share with up to 5 other RNs), and pays them $14/hr. This is in NYC where the going wage for an RN is at least $32/hr in the cheapest of nursing homes. The RNs are basically slaves who are just happy to be in the U.S and they are always afraid of being fired and sent back to the Philippines.

I guess my point is that all of these posters who keep coming into this thread talking about being grateful for scraps should be mindful of what they stand for. Our employers are more than happy to fulfill the low expectations we have for our working conditions.

Basically the less you ask for and expect the less you get and after a while the abuse becomes the norm.

If a patient was dying or in a major crisis then duh of course I'm not going to take a lunch break. However, if it's just the normal course of business then I'm taking my break....the full hour and I'm not going to feel the least bit guilty about it. I'm a human being and I deserve to eat and urinate on a consistent basis; even a dog has that right.

Btw, my job doesn't allow us to bring in outside food and deducts a few dollars per week from our paychecks for a hot meal. So since I'm paying for the food and I can't bring my own damn straight I'm eating!
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No. 97
from NRSKarenRN
Old Dec 30, 2008, 10:12 AM

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Stepping into this thread:

Many in healthcare are being asked to make 10-20 % budget cutbacks... or more...in their departments. Could it just be that this Dietary Manager didn't think though how the cutbacks in serving hot food would affect staff or would appear to be dividing staff into those who get hot food and those who don't across ??? Or that perception is CNA's /housekeeping/allied staff left out vs nurses getting hot food??

Did anyone think to say to your manager " Gee, my perception of this change is....this is how it would affect us..... could you pass onto Dietary manager our concerns?" Sometimes a simple talk with another dept mgr: Yo........want to let you know my staffs perception of XYZ policy... did you think of this impact....can decision be reviewed?????" is all it takes to get process/procedure/policy reviewed and changed............. OR get further clarrification why change aint happening.

Nips most rants/raves/ shift/department warfare on second review, especialy if one hasn't thought through effects change form all angles.........

Saves a lot of too!
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No. 98
Old Dec 30, 2008, 10:21 AM

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I understand why y'all think that the complaint is invalid however, I disagree. If all the employees get a certain perk, why should the Practical Nurses and CNA's be different. There may be legal ramifications as well- worsening of conditions or something.
Maybe they have their salaries deducted for this service (hot meal).
Some of the LTC's that I know serve meals to their employees- its not unheard of.
I am surprised that the "lunches" are at 10:45- seems a bit early to me. We start our shift at 7, take a breakfast break at 9:30 or 10:00 and lunch break at 1:00 or 1:30. Shift ends at 3. This applies to all employees- no matter what category- even our CEO.
I would protest gently- explain that this is going to lower morale, and breaks previous status quo. It's not worth getting fired over- but I wouldn't swallow it.
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No. 99
from Mr Ian
Old Dec 30, 2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bx_RN2B View Post
Btw, my job doesn't allow us to bring in outside food and deducts a few dollars per week from our paychecks for a hot meal.
Have you contacted the monopolies and mergers commission?

What happens if you say you aren't going to pay? Are you allowed to leave to go get food?
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