Death bed visions - page 8
Hello everybody. I can not think of a better place to ask this questions other than a forum full of what I believe to be Gods angels in human form. In your experience taking care of the injured... Read More
May 30, '08There is a very good book that I've read by a cardiologist by the name of
Maurice Rawlings entitled, "To Hell and Back". In it, he writes about many
of his patients who had coded and lived to tell about their out of body
experiences at the time of the code. Many wrote about going to a very
dark and terrifying place where they felt that they were on fire and yet
in a place so dark that they couldn't see anything but yet sensed an
extremely evil presence coming toward them. Many other descriptions
are given. Some of the author's credentials include personal physician
at the Pentagon for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and being on the National
Teaching Faculty of the American Heart Association. His associations with
cardiovascular institutions are extensive, which he lists at the end of the
book. At the beginning of his book he tells how he had a patient who
was dying and being coded and that the patient would at times regain
consciousness and would scream out that he was in hell. The doctor,
although not a Christian at the time but not knowing what else to say, told the man to believe in and accept Christ as his Savior, and that when the man did, an amazing transformation took place, where the man stopped screaming and was at peace. He went on to live after the code, and the doctor, having seen such a miracle take place in front of him, also put his faith in Christ and also accepted Christ as his Savior. This started the doctor to want to talk to his patients who would code and live afterwards and gather information on what, if any, experiences they had while in the code. This became data for the book and so it's a series of true life events where people had the most frightening experiences of having left this world to go to the next - but it wasn't toward "the light". The point of the whole book is that yes, there is an afterlife, but depending on whether or not you have trusted Christ as your Savior, will depend on whether you experience heaven or hell.
Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes
unto God except by Me." - the book of John in the New Testament,
chapter 14, verse 6.
May 30, '08What is strange is every religion has people that claim to see these visions. Like we were saying before this is not about religion. What we think we know about religions is purely based in conjecture and beliefs passed through generations. What we do know is that everyone has a personal experience and we shouldn't try to tell them it didn't happen or cheapen it by trying to attach our own beliefs to their experience.
Jun 4, '08I am a Christian. At times I have wanted to speak to someone about Christ, but I follow the person's lead. It is a terrible thing to feel that a person is headed for hell. I feel that Jesus is a gentleman and He does not force anyone to believe. I do pray for all of my patients though, and I believe that our actions are a big witness to our faith.
Jun 5, '08Quote from maryloufuMy actions must confuse people then. A big, friendly guy full of compassion and love for his patients. Yet an atheist. Heh. Testify!!!!!!!!!I am a Christian. At times I have wanted to speak to someone about Christ, but I follow the person's lead. It is a terrible thing to feel that a person is headed for hell. I feel that Jesus is a gentleman and He does not force anyone to believe. I do pray for all of my patients though, and I believe that our actions are a big witness to our faith.
Jun 5, '08Quote from StanleyRWRAmen, brother! That makes two of us.My actions must confuse people then. A big, friendly guy full of compassion and love for his patients. Yet an atheist. Heh. Testify!!!!!!!!!
Jun 5, '08Quote from StanleyRWMy actions must confuse people then. A big, friendly guy full of compassion and love for his patients. Yet an atheist. Heh. Testify!!!!!!!!!
I am sure you are a big friendly guy full of compassion and love. I was merely trying to explain why I thought one of the previous poster's classmates was so intent on "Saving the patient's soul".
I was in no way implying that nurses of other faith are mean and nasty or that atheists were not loving. Just like I am sure that you were not implying 'wow, how did this fundamental close minded bible thumper' pass boards?Last edit by maryloufu on Jun 5, '08
Jun 5, '08i second that motion!!
we christians don't think we're anything special--but that our boss is! not our call to judge anyone's heart but our own. keep right on being a lovable guy....just keep an open heart and mind.
Jun 5, '08Quote from blueridgehomernyup, you can learn your lessons now, or learn them later.
but, if you choose to turn your back on all lessons life presents, you may find yourself unable to learn at all. :heartbeat
yes. i agree, i agree, i agree! i knew this.. but for some reason this quote moved me
Jun 5, '08I have not personally experienced any patients with this, nor have I had a NDE... However, I do know that my grandfather was calling out to his wife and others the day before his death. He appeared to die very peacefully.
People will choose to believe or not believe, and their feelings regarding their beliefs may very well change with time.
I do not think that just because something isnt "scientifically proven" that it does not exist. I think that there are just soooo many things that we as human beings just dont have the capacity to understand yet.. maybe where we go when we die, if anywhere, is just one of those things.
IMO, the most important thing is that whatever these people saw (angels, relatives, hallucinations due to epinepherine) helped them through their experience.
Of course I have no idea what will happen to me when i go, but I choose to believe that there IS somethine after death and I hope that my loved ones will come for me and that I will go to a place where I feel comfort and love and peacefullness. I may be completely wrong, but I dont care, because it makes me feel good
Jun 11, '08My dad had been in the ICU on the vent. When they took him off one the first question was if his brother was dead I told him no. They seen each other about a month before dad went into the hospital. Dad was taken up to long term care for rehab. He was put into a room with a Pt who was dying. They move my dad to the next room because of my mother's Alzhimers. The day they move him we went to see him. Mom and I went to get something to eat and dad a shake he love them. We got back and found he had pass on. That was the Friday before fathers day. Dads brother Ross was to sick to come and pay his respects, he had been put in a nursing home. Mom and I went to see him late in Sept. We talk about my dad and other stuff that day. 2 days latter he died. I offten wonder if dad saw what was to come. My dad was as sharp as a tack and I thought is was the drugs talking but now I still wonder.
Jun 19, '08My grandfather passed from Prostate Cancer in 2004.
I lived out of town at the time so I made sure to go and see him almost every week, well this one particular week I did not go to see him, and my aunt called me on a wed and told me to hurry up to see him because he didnt look like he will be here for much longer. She stated earlier that day, my grandfather asked about all of his grandchildren and his children to see if we made it to town yet, she said she didnt think nothing of it but she told him that we were on our way. Around 6pm that evening, he just sat in his room and stopped talking so that was around the time everyone started trickling in from out of town. Well I left work and I picked up my cousin who lived close to me and we got to my grandmothers house around 1:30am. When I went into my Grandfathers room, he was sitting up in his bed but he kept looking around the room like he was watching someone, I grabbed his hand and thanked him for raising me and my brothers and I let him know that i will miss him and he just kept grabbing my hand but i asked my aunt who was he looking at, she stated that he probably was looking at his sister, who passed back in 1986 from Cancer but i kept talking to him and he kept following something that noone could see. His eyes were glassy but he just squeezed my hand, that is how I knew that he heard me talking to him. this went on until around 5am, when he finally went to sleep. Around 8am that morning I went into his room to check on him and he was woke, just watching something in his room and then i went to make breakfast. My sister in law came into the kitchen around 9am and told me to hurry up in my grandfathers room because she thought he was about to go, when i got to his room, he was breathing very slowly and kept his eyes open looking at something in the corner of the room, and then a few minutes later he took his last breath and all of his children/grandchildren was in the room with him.
Sorry if this is so long*****
but last year one of my grandfathers aunts was going through cancer and my grandmother was home nursing her, my grandmother told me everytime she got to her house, she heard my aunt talking to someone and when she asked who she was talking to she said she was talking to her nephew, my grandfather and that he always comes to visit her when she is lonely, my grandmother also said that my aunt talked to everyone who was dead and that she had 30 minutes conversations with the dead family members but also she would answer them back like they were asking her questions, and my grandmother told me when my great aunt passed, she sat up in her bed, which she never does and took a deep breath and passed away, my grandmother is 70 and she said she never been creeped out like that in her life.
Jun 19, '08I don't believe there is anything beyond. I've been around a lot of dying people and the visions can be explained by the dying brain shutting down. I've never seen a case where the dying person was only calling out to only people who were deceased. They were calling out to people who were living (but not present) as well.