Crossing the Line? - page 2

My first post on this board, and I have a feeling it is sure to attract some heated debate. Here goes... I've been a nurse for almost 8 yrs and was working most recently at a Level I trauma... Read More

  1. by   privatedutynurs
    :kiss Hi, i agree use proper procedures with patients, and direct them ,in getting help in not being cared for right, or even call avocate for them, if hospital is looking other way.
  2. by   sjoe
    "Any comments?"

    You chose your battle, chose the tools to use to fight it, chose not to engage an attorney on your behalf at the first sign of personal opposition, and you paid the price for those choices. Fair enough.

    A good warrior (i.e. one who survives to successfully fight again another day) carries BOTH a spear AND a shield. If you don't protect yourself in battle, you can expect to be wounded, regardless of the wounds you are able to inflict on the enemy.
  3. by   Agnus
    No flames. I think you said it all your self. You did what needed to be done.
  4. by   mert
    You are what "being a nurse" is all about!
  5. by   RRMLPN
    I have to agree wth the others, Your courage and determination to protect this patient should be commended. I also wish you happiness in your new found personal relationship.
  6. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    JadedNurse,

    Please make yourself immediately available should I or anyone I love be hospitalized, okay? =0)

    Seriously, you advocated for your pt, plain and simple. Employers love to hear noise from nurses about their pts coming first, but when you actually base your nursing interventions and behaviors on those ideals, mgmt does not like that one bit. Lip service to pt advocasy is as far as they go.

    The fact that you developed a relationship after the pt was D/C seems fine to me. He was D/C.

    Hope you've found a better job.
  7. by   Surgical Hrt RN
    You did exactly what needed to be done! Often times, it is the nurse who spots problems in the care with a patient and points the docs to the right path.


    I think sometimes people get so caught up in the technical part of nursing that they forget that it is a PERSON in that bed and not the pt. in bed 8.

    Emotional support is just as important and sometimes even more important than the technical care. It is my FAVORITE part of the job!

    Way to go! You truly portray what it means to be a nurse!
    Last edit by Surgical Hrt RN on Apr 19, '03
  8. by   mattsmom81
    It is important to support excellent care and support our patients and I have no problem doing that. How do we draw the line when our 'concern' for patient care disrupts another unit? IMO the best way to problem solve poor care issues is through appropriate chain of command, not direct personal involvement.

    It's important for nurses to recognize when we may be crossing professional boundaries with patients and coworkers....and take a moment to step back and analyze actions and feelings.

    Looks like I will be the lone dissenter here, because I feel the OP MAY have crossed that line, and from her post, she may recognize this too. It seems to be a risk she was willing to take.

    One of my wise ol' instructors waaay back told me "If you ask yourself if you are 'crossing the line', you probably already have. "

    We can't possibly know the whole story, and I always try hard not to judge another nurse harshly until I've walked in his/her shoes. This goes for the OP AND the staff she reported.
  9. by   MandyInMS
    Sounds like you were the only person with his best interests at heart...how would you have felt if you had done nothing? I applaud your bravery and caring..you can be my nurse any day
  10. by   canoehead
    You did a great job. I hope you don't find that the backlash against your advocacy makes it hard to stay in nursing. I think any problems originated in the system, not in your care or concern for this man.
  11. by   thatldo
    I admire you for what you did!
    Enough said....
  12. by   jadednurse
    As I sat down at the computer to read some of the replies today I must admit I was really releived to see so many positive comments. After reading some of the other replies to posts on this boards I was a little nervous at first...

    mattsmom81: point taken re: "if you ask yourself if you are 'crossing the line' you probably already have." I certainly knew I was crossing a line, but I think you and are are talking about two different lines. The one I'm talking about is crossing over into actually standing up for what is right, not just watching it happen and ragging about it later over coffee or drinks with my coworkers. I know we've all been there, sitting around after work or on the phone, talking about such and such patient and how crappily (for lack of a better word) they were taken care of and how, if it were me/my loved one I would have done such and such. I think I had finally reached a point where, after nearly 8 years of hearing the suits in administration sell their propoganda about "the patient coming first" or needing to do "what's in the patient's best interest", well, I ACTUALLY expected them to deliver!

    HelllllloNurse hit the nail on the head for me...it really does feel like a bunch of lip service from administration. Though this happened many months ago, the frustration and bitterness toward "the system" is still with me.

    Canoehead, I am worried that this hypocrisy inherent in the healthcare profession is making me rethink a long career in nursing. Perhaps I just need some time off and need to learn from this experience and heed the wise words of sjoe...next time carry both a sword and a shield. I only wish there were some way to let that particular hospital/system know how badly they let this patient (and this nurse) down.
  13. by   canoehead
    They know they are letting people down every day, and here's a news flash for you- they don't care. That's why caring devoted nurses like yourself are so precious,and so important to keep in the profession. Otherwise the patient becomes a "market share" and the nurse is no different from a piece of equipment.

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