Crossing the line of professionalism - page 5
Is there anything wrong with becoming personally involved with a client? How do you as a nurse maintain professional relationships with your patients? What are some warning signs that the... Read More
Jan 30, '03Nursing students and nurses alike are nothing more than a crossection of society from a human standpoint.
When I first read her post, I thought it was a bit vague and worded a bit strangely. Now i know why. Personally, i think she came to the right place to get real-time reality answers to her inquiry. Some things you cannot glean from books or educators that have been out of the loop for a while doing their thing at the edu level.
I can understand those of you that are a wee bit put off by this student. But I think you're focus could be redirected to realize what a great resource you are and this site is. I have been reading this site for awhile, I'm due to grad this may. Many times these posts have led me to do more research elsewhere and sometimes I have to admit to leaving this site feeling sad at the negative tones some of us cast.
It helps when i remember my beliefs. That we are part of the whole. That each of you represent a part of me. The negative that I hear/read is just a part of what lies inside as well as the wonderful expressions of love and caring.
~~just my thoughts~~
Jan 30, '03Personally, if a student is too lazy to do the initial footwork for a project and expects that experienced nurses should just "give it up" for them...I'm sorry, but I'd rather that person not go into nursing. We need people that can work and think independently. I don't mind holding somone's hand at first, but eventually that person needs to stand on his or her own two feet.
I agree that the expression, "eat our young" has been overused to the point of being hackneyed. Expecting for a nurse to think for himself/herself is not unrealistic. If a prospective nurse doesn't learn how to think critically and independently, he/she will fail, if not in school then in the work situation. However, failure in our work situation, unlike many others, means that lives are put in jeopardy. Do you really want to work with someone like that, for someone with that attitude to be backing you up...even worse, how about being in charge with someone like that?
I doubt that the RN's here have forgotten what it was like to be a student...I graduated in '85, and I remember my student days very clearly. Never did it occur to me that RN's had some obligation to help me with my work...if there were some willing to help, great, but I never had this feeling of entitlement that seems so prevalent today.The things that I remember most are the things I had to really work for to learn. The feeling of accomplishment you get from doing well after putting forth the effort is priceless.
Jan 30, '03Originally posted by fab4fan
Never did it occur to me that RN's had some obligation to help me with my work...if there were some willing to help, great, but I never had this feeling of entitlement that seems so prevalent today.The things that I remember most are the things I had to really work for to learn. The feeling of accomplishment you get from doing well after putting forth the effort is priceless.
As for the particular student who started this thread, I bear her no ill-will. I think she was just was naive and did not mean any harm.
Jan 30, '03Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
Ok this is gonna come off bytchy, but I have to say it. My opinion is, if you are looking for information for a class or school project, you should tell us up front. I am not here to participate in research projects/polls for students (or anyone) w/o my knowledge. My answer would not have been different, but, I felt a bit *mislead* here. Have you had your ethics classes yet? Just wondering Anyhow, I only speak for myself here when I say all this..
I was gonna say the same thing....don't jerk our chains.....
Jan 30, '03The posters question was indeed appropriate. She was asking for opinions from nurses in the trenches. The answer to her question was not in the library. She was doing her assignment all by herself as her instructior suggested. Geez, Its not like she asked one of you to poll your co-workers for her.
What's the big deal? I thought this was a place to exchange information.... either answer a poster's question or choose not to answer.Last edit by ageless on Jan 30, '03
Jan 30, '03ageless, if you bothered to read the posts you would know the question was not the problem. but i digress.......this thread should be so over by now, huh?
Jan 31, '03I am sorry and your are right I was harsh.
I can see your point a little better. I have not had the experience some of you apparently have had.
I was taught to use every resource available to me including my fellow humanbeing. Just as a matter of course I identified when I was asking a question from a school assignment. It seemed natual and automatic for me to do this. I also cited the nurse in my papers if the information came from her.
I guess that I am assuming a lot here. I agree students need to be taught how to do reasearch and how to present it and draw conclusions of their own from it. (i. e. critical thinking)
Maybe I am naieve because my experience with students has been different from yours. I have been thinking that a student who tries to get others to do thier work all the time, won't actually make it to the boards, because they don't have the knowledge and skill in using it that they need. I guess this is not accruate thinking on my part.
I love helping students and I know that many of those I help don't actually make it. No I don't want to do anyones homework any more than you do. But I will take a student by the hand and give them some indebth insight into a situation that presensts itself. So that they can learn out side the text book. Because as we know too well most of what we experience is never in a book.
I think the above question was one of those. She asked an opinion and asked how we handle it. That is more in the catagory of " What do you actually do in real life about a situation like this?"
I challenged students with questions.
I think we are smart enough to weed out the, give me book facts type questions. And If we slip and find we have done someone's assignment then so be it. We learn and move on.
Occasionally we as RNs and LPNs will ask book fact questions here. It is not in every case realistic to expect them to go get a book. That can be expensive and or time consuming.
That is why I don't have a problem with this. Like I said, if I don't want to answer I don't.Last edit by Agnus on Jan 31, '03
Feb 1, '03Originally posted by Erinkate2959
Obviously some people have forgotten what it is like to be a student. I think attitudes like these are what drive students away in herds from choosing nursing as a profession.
I can't believe anybody here has forgotten what nursing school was like. Many here are STILL students going on to advanced degrees. We also haven't forgotten that doing one's OWN WORK and RESEARCH yields the most benefit vs simply printing out someone else's words for school credit.
I would suggest students leave in 'herds' as you say because of dishonest recruitment tactics such as the silly J & J commercials that paint unrealistically rosy pictures for students. When students get a load of what nursing is REALLY like they leave. I can't blame them. That, or they leave within the first year of practice for the same reasons. Nursing is much more than the easy rosy job full of wonderful reward that is portrayed. It is tough work; not for the faint of heart. Those who don't recognize this won't make it long.
Nurses leave the facility setting (this is why there is a 'shortage')because we are choosing to work elsewhere...many of us keep our licenses but are NOT working for facilities...and it is mainly because of WORKING CONDITIONS, not our coworkers, not our teachers, not our mentors, not our students...it is nobody in particular's fault (except maybe the CEO... who doesn't care...and just recruits more new grads and foreign nurses as a bandaid solution.)
Sorry so long...needed to present a bit of perspective here to a nursing student from a 25 year nurse. I suspect I'll be accused of young eating by pointing these things out.
Feb 1, '03Mattsmom, if THAT is young-eating, pass the grey poupon. It needed to be said. Thanks for that.
Feb 1, '03I just make it known that I don't take care of any of my family, close neighbors or people that I go to church with.
Feb 3, '03Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
Mattsmom, if THAT is young-eating, pass the grey poupon. It needed to be said. Thanks for that.
Feb 3, '03I live in a small town and the line is always crossed; there isn't a way to avaoid it. These persons are my teachers , neighbors and friends.
It was quite a concern for me last semester as I was just starting and was afraid of the confidentaillity issues.