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What conditions would cause so many nurses to leave? Our ER has been losing friends fast. Why is there such a large turnover in nursing? I'm going to school, yet I talk to many RN's who are looking... Read More
Nov 25, '06Quote from DixieleeYes we are all in the same boat here, question is, what are we going to do about it?Why are we so anti union? Are we victims of the brainwashing that managemnet has done any time the word union is mentioned? How many out there remember the mad scrambling a facility does when nurses try to organize,all the anti union mandatory meetings, all the promises that "if you vote no we will give you this and that, etc, etc..." and then when the silly nurses did vote no all the promises went poof! There is a Darn good reason that management and facility owners dont want a union, could it be that they would not be able to get away with what we all have been complaining about here? Bad unions are no good to anyone, but there is a way to get rid of ineffectual unions and get one that has some "balls" and "teeth".(Sorry if this is crude, but I am so frustrated !)I think most of us don't pass off to the next shift because we know they are in the same boat we are.
And we have to worry about being sued or prosecuted if we make a med error??? Whose fault is it. Is it administration for putting us in unsafe situations or ours for staying?
Nov 25, '06
hi to all my fellow rns,
first, thanks to all the rns since i know how hard we all work. our jobs are so demanding.
i am in process of quitting my med/surg job because i so tired of the taking care of everybody else but me; my messed up schedule (i work nights and i'm tired all the time even on my days off); older rns talking crap about new rns (how supportive is that); patients expecting everything when they want it; not being able to advance (yes, i do have my bsn and phn); not getting off holidays to spend with my family and just overall poor job satisfaction (from nursing in general).
i had a secondary major in college which i have pursued and will complete in jan-feb 07 so i'm excited about opening up my own businss and being independent.
i just feel that nursing is a noble and caring profession but many people in it are just not that. you have to work in a place which you like (if not love) and i feel that is true success (not just making more money because it just isnt worth it).
good luck to all the rns out there!
Nov 25, '06Hi there,
Good luck w/ school. I am a RN and I just wanted to make a point about when you get your license and start working.
As a RN, you have at least 4-5 patients depending on you (typical med/surg floor) and its very difficult to be able to do your job and take breaks and a lunch. Ideally, I know it sounds great but its not realistic but it does depend on where you work too.
I think RNs are very caring people who do not want to leave their patient's care to another RN who they might not feel can do a good job because a lot of RNs are busy at the same time and if anything goes wrong they would like to be there because patients can go south fast........in an instant (I've seen it).
It's different when you're licensed and on the floor because you are the primary caregiver and if something goes wrong, you're legally liable so just think about it in those terms.
Take care and good luck in school, ok.
Nov 25, '06I think you may need to work on your organization skills. I am saying this not to offend you. Some people can prioritize better than others, maybe you can ask the hospital education if they have a class for organization and prioritizing. I used to work in med-surg/ telemetry so I had very sick med-surg patients and on top of that with heart issues. I always made sure that my patients were taken care of but I always took my break too. So I am not just telling you this because it sounds good, but from experience. I work in surgery now because I just happen to enjoy it better. Have you tried any other types of nursing? Med-surg is not the only thing out there.........
Don't give up........Smarty_RN
Nov 26, '06I agree with the statements by steve0123. Nursing is under valued & under apprieciated by admin staff and then not to be recognised as a professional is very demeaning. This attitude of disrespect really makes me :angryfire
How do we can this culture?
I can only say 1st we need to recognise the situation & then dont do the same to people around us or under us. Still havent worked out want self perserving strategy to use for those lording it over me, some people do have a attitude problem it is sooooooooo frustrating sometimes.
My cuddle pillow does get a work out sometimesLast edit by Barb101 on Nov 26, '06
Nov 26, '06I was browsin through these postings n everyone has hit the nail on the head for reasons of leaving the hospital nursing pool, however I thought one was left out and was illustrated in point by MULAN in her response to EPONA. That really honestly is some good advice. You should always take at least a few seconds to sit down and take a deep breath, and never not eat for a whole 12 hour shift. I feel that nurses forget that there is a reason for report. Time and time again ive had the nurse from the shift prior to mine trying to take care of a plethera of crap before she or he goes home when they have already given me report and told me it needed to be done. GO HOME!!! Im on your team and will make sure it gets done, which is a little bit off the point im trying to make but anyway, this is good advice from a non nurse maybe, I didnt take the time to look at their profile however because it was thought to be a non nurse the advice was slammed down w, "your not a nurse so how can u comment" Why do nurses treat each other with such disrespect? Anyway I think if wed all start playin like were on the same team, stop writing people up for stupid crap, what ever happened to catchin a good old fashioned AS_ whippen when u screwed up, oh yeah, forgot prodominantly woman, anyway we all know i cant spell and ramble so just be nice to eachother and get eachothers backs, and that doesnt include backstabbing!!!!!!
Nov 26, '06Quote from PPHawkYes....pass it on to the next shift. This was common in the facility where I worked. Iworked days and would pass work onto the night shift and vise versa. It was the only way the work would get done. Pretty much everyone was cooperative with it. Most of us tried to help each other out with an exceptional few who would cop an attitude about it. The facility was notorious for sending new admits at the end of shift. And i'm sure that sometimes this couldn't be helped. The manager started complaining about how much overtime was being paid out. So.. the nurses politely informed her to do something about new admits at end of shift. Nothing was ever done, but, she dropped her attitide with the staff about the OT. So...I don't think it's healthy to work ourselves to death trying to do the job of two people. And that's exactly what it is. Administration would rather create an unsafe work environment just to save a buck or two. Nurses need to stick together, support each other, and help each other out when needed. We are allowing these working conditions to exist. We need to stand up and have a backbone. Not just one of us, but, as a whole group. If every nurses in the US would continuously refuse unsafe assignments, then maybe administration would make some changes for the better. OK, now I'm rambling.......Pass it on to the next shift!!!!!!! You haven't seen a dirty look till you've tried that one! Chasing your tail and never catching it. Too darn true!
Nov 26, '06Quote from mamasonI agree wholeheartedly, BUT when we stand up for ourselves, when we have grown that backbone,when we refuse unsafe assignments, etc, etc.,what usually happens? In my experience the nurse/ nurses get booted out ,or harrassed until they quit and go somewhere else. NOW they have gone somewhere else and found out that it is no different. NOW WHAT?? How can we get that group power that allows us to band together for the good? If you are waiting for a law to get passed, it will be a long wait, SO what did sweat shop workers do to improve thier working conditions years ago? If I sound condesending, PLEASE forgive me , I dont mean to, I just want to hear some opinions from my fellow nurses as to HOW we can affect change. I really dont know myself, but have some ideas.Administration would rather create an unsafe work environment just to save a buck or two. Nurses need to stick together, support each other, and help each other out when needed. We are allowing these working conditions to exist. We need to stand up and have a backbone. Not just one of us, but, as a whole group. If every nurses in the US would continuously refuse unsafe assignments, then maybe administration would make some changes for the better. OK, now I'm rambling.......
Nov 26, '06Quote from ingeleinI agree wholeheartedly, BUT when we stand up for ourselves, when we have grown that backbone,when we refuse unsafe assignments, etc, etc.,what usually happens? In my experience the nurse/ nurses get booted out ,or harrassed until they quit and go somewhere else. NOW they have gone somewhere else and found out that it is no different. NOW WHAT?? How can we get that group power that allows us to band together for the good? If you are waiting for a law to get passed, it will be a long wait, SO what did sweat shop workers do to improve thier working conditions years ago? If I sound condesending, PLEASE forgive me , I dont mean to, I just want to hear some opinions from my fellow nurses as to HOW we can affect change. I really dont know myself, but have some ideas.
I'd like to know the answer too. One nurse speaks up, the rest follow along with the program like a bunch of sheep, and the outspoken nurse gets labeled as a troublemaker, or they make it look like she is crazy, or she is the one with a problem.
There is power in numbers and nurses united could make changes, in my opinion.
How to get nurses to stick together and stand up for themselves as a group? That's a good question. They just don't do it.
Nov 26, '06Again I guess I keep coming back to the same conclusion, a STRONG UNION, now I now this will get negative responses by nurses (especially management of course) that have worked in a facility with a innefectual union.Who out there can recommend a STRONG union, OR HEY YOU UNIONS out there convince us that you are worth paying dues to. I have seen the California Nurses Association website, I am impressed but dont know first hand how they REALLY do. Anyone out there a member of CNA or any other union with some clout?
Nov 26, '06Unfortunately, many conscientious and caring nurses (myself included) were so disillusioned with the profession during, that we chose not to work as a nurse at all. It's an extremely sad state of affairs, IMO.Last edit by RN mom of 2 on Nov 26, '06 : Reason: typo
Nov 26, '06Why can't we pass on what's not done to the next shift? I mean we can all go home closer to our projected going home time if we would all just accept that we work x hours in a shift. Sure there are some things that can't and shouldn't be passed on like charting and, in critical care, ROAD TRIPS! Delaying a road trip for the next shift is definitely a no no. I tell the people who report off to me to leave it for me to do and I will get it done. By the same token, I want the same courtesy. Mostly it's not an issue on my unit.
I think that nurses are largely responsible for the decline in the nursing profession. We expect too much out of ourselves and conversely our fellow nurses and support staff. We're competitive for the medical staff's respect. We don't want to admit our shortcomings but are quick to point out someone elses to a third person who will be quick to pass that little tidbit of information on to a fourth. We try to fit ourselves like round pegs into square holes into hospital specialties that we're just plainly not suited for. Not everyone is suited to be an ICU nurse but something tells us that anything else is "lower". We stick it out because everyone tells us "it'll get better". A nice pat answer to everyone who asks which trips off the tongue with ease but not sincerity. We're not cookie cutter nurses. We get stressed out to the max because we don't allow ourselves time to take care of ourselves, get sick, and then get written up for calling off. We're encouraged to self-report med errors but have to spend half an hour writing ourselves up. That half hour by the way is after you've reported off or it could be your lunch or dinner break. You choose. I try to take a lunch break and even leave the floor for the cafeteria. A view of daylight from a different window and some sustenance can be what gets me through the rest of the day. I don't wait to use the bathroom like I did as a brand new nurse. And if I'm really sick and just can't move, let 'em write me up. Make my day.
Hospital nursing is something I look at as a necessary starting place. Try finding your first nursing job outside a hospital or a nursing home. As soon as I work off my contract in one more year, I'm outta here but not outta nursing. It might be home health or hospice but either way, there will be another new nurse with a fresh face and the cycle continues.
Nov 26, '06Wow isnt it great we all have different view points. Thats probably the start of the break down. I know just when we get a group together working on the same page & actually understanding our team mates we get disbanded. So much for team work! But getting back to our different view points I personally think we need to give a bit & take a bit. If my pts are not comprised I'd like to think I am a fairly lateral thinking type of person.