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CNN article on nurses and job growth - page 5

CNN Money published several nursing articles this morning regarding the job shortage for new grads based on information they got from allnurses members. FULL ARTICLE: For nursing... Read More

  1. Visit  DoGoodThenGo profile page
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    Quote from wooh
    I'm just not sure what makes nurses so special in this problem. You go to the end of the slideshow, and it's people from all sorts of professions that can't get a job. The economy sucks right now. The whole "guaranteed job" thing isn't unique to nursing either. My sister was told we had a shortage of middle school math and science teachers. She got a teaching certificate in middle school math. Great recommendations from her student teaching position. Couldn't get a job. My other sister had to move 9 hours away from her home to get a job in another field. My dad has been working a 12 hour drive away from my mom for a few YEARS because it's the only place he can get a job in his field. My husband had a good 6 months without a paycheck with more than 20 hours on it. THEN gets told he can be laid off or go to a different branch that's over an hour from our home after working there for a decade.

    It just sucks out there. For everyone. Not just nurses.
    IMHO it is a "problem" because many of those graduating now and within the past few years were sold a load of flannel about a shortage of nurses/nursing being one of the few growth careers/nursing having near 100% job security and so forth. You even had Obama/the federal government promoting nursing via community college degrees for "displaced" or otherwise made redundant employees.

    Well it takes anywhere from three to four years or more for some to get admitted, complete and graduate from a nursing course then add a few weeks more to pass the NCLEX (hopefully). Sadly for many of those new grads the nursing employment dynamics changed in those five or so years.

    As the article and other sources have stated nursing school enrollment has been at an all time high for years now. Problem is no one at first planned or now is even thinking about what is going to be done with thousands of newly licensed nurses created each year. Hospitals and other facilities surely do not care, it is happy hunting season for most as they are spoiled for choice. In many areas tons of experienced nurses almost begging for hours coupled with scores of new grads each year means all these places can pick and chose.

    Aside from allnurses.com and now CNN you rarely hear the cold sad and hard facts about how hard it is for many new and experienced nurses to land full time gigs.

    Most all reputable nursing programs have some contact and or input with local hospitals/health care facilities. After all they are where students will have their clincals and *hopefully* will be employed. Therefore cannot believe directors of nursing programs do not have a sit down with local DONs or whatever the head of nursing services are calling themselves about future new hire predictions.

    ADN programs in particular where local hospitals have strongly moved to BSN only or BSN preferred should be telling applicants that up front.
    not.done.yet, Tatinha, netglow, and 2 others like this.
  2. Visit  Nursing 2014 profile page
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    I appreciate your response, but where are we going to get the "smallest amount" if we're not being hired from the get go?
  3. Visit  Nursing 2014 profile page
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    Go for it with all the zeal and determination. our story don't have to be like someone else's. I am currently in nursing school with a positive attitude. I am confident that I will get a job despite everything.
  4. Visit  BeentheredonethatRN profile page
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    So true ! I have been out of school since "93" and have seen so many changes ,and I am in school for my BSN just to keep up with the game. However, it is just like an article I read and I believe it is called "Death by degress " ,and it is about the push of college majors for school profit. Yes, for instance a few years ago the push for the pharmacy major because so many universities had opened Schools of Pharmacy. The new grads finish and can't find a job-at least in a location that they would like to reside. Sure ,there are jobs probably on the border with Mexico in the sticks.
    Furthermore, don't look now- everywhere u look an advertisement for online nursing schools.Mark my words- Pretty soon entry level for a nurse will be MSN. Really ! At one time an ADN was enough, then so many nursing schools making the push for BSNs and competiton for jobs has made the BSN entry level-well with online schools most nurses I know are just taking classes for their MSNs .Plus, so many MSN nurses are working the harder units that where once thought of for new grads.
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  5. Visit  llg profile page
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    [QUOTE=DoGoodThenGo;7119803]
    Most all reputable nursing programs have some contact and or input with local hospitals/health care facilities. After all they are where students will have their clincals and *hopefully* will be employed. Therefore cannot believe directors of nursing programs do not have a sit down with local DONs or whatever the head of nursing services are calling themselves about future new hire predictions.
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    I am one of those people who is a liaison between my hospital and the local schools. Back in 2008, I started telling anyone who would listen about upcoming changes in hiring ... the need for BSN's ... the dangers posed by the opening of quick, for-profit ADN programs in our region, etc. But few people listened back then. It's only been recently that they have begun to listen because I was saying things they didn't want to hear and didn't know how to deal with. It didn't fit their worldview, and so I was not taken seriously.
  6. Visit  netglow profile page
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    Quote from BeentheredonethatRN
    So true ! I have been out of school since "93" and have seen so many changes ,and I am in school for my BSN just to keep up with the game. However, it is just like an article I read and I believe it is called "Death by degress " ,and it is about the push of college majors for school profit. Yes, for instance a few years ago the push for the pharmacy major because so many universities had opened Schools of Pharmacy. The new grads finish and can't find a job-at least in a location that they would like to reside. Sure ,there are jobs probably on the border with Mexico in the sticks.
    Furthermore, don't look now- everywhere u look an advertisement for online nursing schools.Mark my words- Pretty soon entry level for a nurse will be MSN. Really ! At one time an ADN was enough, then so many nursing schools making the push for BSNs and competiton for jobs has made the BSN entry level-well with online schools most nurses I know are just taking classes for their MSNs .Plus, so many MSN nurses are working the harder units that where once thought of for new grads.
    Wow, that does totally suck. Sure do miss the corner pharmacy like we all had growing up. And the whole MSN things you've told us about really is bad.
  7. Visit  netglow profile page
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    I do read and talk to a lot of MDs. They are feeling threatened for various reasons too. They all say that because of all the changes going on with MDs @50 percent of them actively dissuade those they know from going into medicine. Many find that their residencies were lacking too and often the reaction to that was to just get into yet another fellowship to try and get the training they need to practice safely. They did sell themselves out @10-15 years ago when some began selling out to the big networks to become employees. Now in some areas it is impossible to succeed in private practice due to being totally shut out by the power of these networks. Like I said, I've been reading and conversing for years with certain bloggers, and to one I commented that it sounded like he's got a crappy nursing gig now (LOL).

    They also hear all the shortage crap pertaining to a shortage of MDs. This is strangely the same as the "nursing shortage". Yet they hold on and say nobody will go into medicine, and we'll all quit ...I reply that people don't listen, and there will always be plenty who will drink the drank and stumble off that cliff. Lots of people just don't want to hear it. At some point you just have to stop trying to save them, and know that it's their right to jump - just be glad you didn't mix that drank for them.
  8. Visit  netglow profile page
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    Quote from brian
    Do you have the link to the tweet?
    The link? The tweet is the link to the CNN article itself. You know twitter, not much room to elaborate on a tweet.

    And I heard the story mentioned on CBS Channel 2 Chicago this morning.
    Last edit by netglow on Jan 15, '13
  9. Visit  joanna73 profile page
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    I moved 2000 miles away for my first nursing job 2.5 years ago. The economy has been terrible since the end of 2007. Very disappointing that little has changed. Some of you may need to relocate, but keep trying.
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  10. Visit  Beautiful Mind RN profile page
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    Quote from NRSKarenRN
    I recently had 2 FT + 1 per diem RN position open in homecare agency Central intake due to growth and deliberately looked for new BSN grad applications: got turned down by 3 candidates as they wanted hospital experience. I was trying to give someone a foot in the door to a health care system with four hospitals that they could have moved after a year. Jaded over wasting my time and HR resources when they had no intention of accepting the position. Has delayed hiring for last position being filled x 2 months. Please, do not apply for a position you have no intention of taking.

    I'll take it once I am done graduating! I worked for a home health agency as a pharmacy tech. It's a great experience and you learn a lot. I think even more so than hospitals because of the one on one care you have with patients in their personal setting.

    And don't feel jaded, please, over a couple of students turning up their noses. There are still open minded new grads out there! I guarantee that myself and a few others in my class alone would sign up for that position in no time, since a lot of us are interested of working outside of the hospital setting. Thank you for being so considerate of new grads and opening that door for us.
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  11. Visit  Beautiful Mind RN profile page
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    Quote from netglow
    I do read and talk to a lot of MDs. They are feeling threatened for various reasons too. They all say that because of all the changes going on with MDs @50 percent of them actively dissuade those they know from going into medicine. Many find that their residencies were lacking too and often the reaction to that was to just get into yet another fellowship to try and get the training they need to practice safely. They did sell themselves out @10-15 years ago when some began selling out to the big networks to become employees. Now in some areas it is impossible to succeed in private practice due to being totally shut out by the power of these networks. Like I said, I've been reading and conversing for years with certain bloggers, and to one I commented that it sounded like he's got a crappy nursing gig now (LOL).

    They also hear all the shortage crap pertaining to a shortage of MDs. This is strangely the same as the "nursing shortage". Yet they hold on and say nobody will go into medicine, and we'll all quit ...I reply that people don't listen, and there will always be plenty who will drink the drank and stumble off that cliff. Lots of people just don't want to hear it. At some point you just have to stop trying to save them, and know that it's their right to jump - just be glad you didn't mix that drank for them.
    As a few have stated as well in this forum, the shortage is just not limited to the nurses and doctors in the health care world. It also is impacting other places, like pharmacies. Pharmacy techs and pharmacists are also being graduated by the loads, just like nurses, and when they get out to the real world, they too, are limited with their job opportunities, because pharmacies would prefer those with experience.

    But again, there are exceptions. I was one of them. I had a hospital and a home health agency take me under their wing and train me to be the infusion/respiratory pharmacy tech that I am today. Quite proud of that skill set, since I know it's going to help me once I reach my Pharmacology class.

    So there is companies willing to hire - look at NRSKarenRN's comment - just have to do the legwork!
  12. Visit  adzem08 profile page
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    Thank you for this article! I had this discussion with friends of mine and no one believed me when I said new nursing graduates could not find work. I am lucky I got a job right out of school but some of my classmates have not been able to get RN jobs. I am glad this is out in the open, thank you!
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  13. Visit  I love my cat! profile page
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    I had to relocate over 12 years ago! The city I use to work/live was only hiring P/T nights-no benefits. From the Nurses I spoke with you could be stuck here for years. Forget it. I moved.
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