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| No. 20 |
Nov 03, 2009, 01:42 PM
Re: Can't order ink pens but ceo earned > $1,400,000.00 in 2008
Do some people really get pens supplied by their work?? Wow, who knew?
We got one once during nurse's week. It was so special. It had a light on it that worked for two days.
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Nov 03, 2009, 08:51 PM
Re: Can't order ink pens but ceo earned > $1,400,000.00 in 2008 Originally Posted by Smarty Pants I am not YET a nurse, but, I do work in a hospital as a Phlebotomist (graduate to be an RN in MAY!!!!) Anyways, our hospital has had sooo many cuts in the last year. First it started with the 'administration' big wigs, backstabbing each other to fight for each others positions, firing people that had been working for the hospital for prob 30+ years , some just a year shy of retiring..making them leave earlier (ps, our hospital used to be split in two cities and was a 'community hospital', THEN they signed with a large organization and are now One...small hospital in the middle of the two, closing the other ones and leaving just empty buildings...their 'attempt' to save money..whatever)
So, then it went to charge nurses that had been there for years being replaced by newer nurses and it has just went down the 'foodchain' until even our housekeeping is understaffed. Everyone is short handed and stressed, the nurses have your situation on each floor and of course supplys have been replaced with the cheapest sh*t they could find, i swear.
Id like to blame all this madness on the economy, yes i would. But something in me keeps getting angrier and angrier with the whole organization. this is already long winded, and believe me i could go on and on about all the stuff i have to put up with just in my department. It just makes me so mad that these people sit in their offices and make all these rules about hiring staff and how we can get by with what we have JUSt because the 'numbers' with their money situation is good for them.
Clearly the hospital staff and patients are suffering from this. Nurses that havent been layed off are leaving, and they are NOT being replaced. And Im scared, becasue I graduate soon and have to work for them for 3 years (i was stupid and signed a contract...I thought it was going to be a good thing, now Im regretting it) Im scared that Im going to be thrown in right after school and not get proper training because the nurses are not going to have patience with me. And its not just that, unfortunatley people are writing to our local paper complaining A LOT about the service at our hospital. Its an embarrassment and It makes me feel bad becuase everyone really is busting their butts. Rn's dont have aides to help them out, in fact, our hospital is trying for an all RN staff...no lpns...no aides. Which might be fine IF their were more than 2... I guess Im venting...haha. I went into Nursing because I love the challenge and I love helping people, I want to imrpove their lives and I cant wait until I know how to do just that. But, I do not want to have to put up with all the politics of it. I hate Corporate. But it seems that in this field Im not going to get away from it.
If I could live on a hippy farm and be a nurse and work for daisies and potatoes I would...but thats not feasable. I wish these people that sit at their desks with full mugs of coffee all day long (did i mention we arent aloud to have drinks at our stations?) that get breakfast breaks as well as LUnch breaks (what the HECK is a breakfast break?) would come work in EACH department for a week and see just what we do. These people dont even have patient contact, they dont even know how to handle situations. One lady was walking through our department (in a nice dress and clicky heels) and just so happened to stumble upon me telling an outpatient that their were just a couple of people ahead of her and it will only be a few minutes,and she came up to me as if I had done something majorly wrong and goes "Its whatever the patient wants"( I was the only one drawing blood because we are short staffed and when its busy, we deal) PLUS we have a system, if we just did what ever the 'patient' wanted I would have a mob coming at me! I just couldnt believe it, and had to stop what i was doing, take that patient right in front of the two that had been waiting longer. I just cant stand it, guess its a sore spot for me cuz I really did not expect to write this much ...i feel better now
YOu must live by me because this sounds familiar!
| | No. 23 |
Nov 03, 2009, 09:06 PM
Re: Can't order ink pens but ceo earned > $1,400,000.00 in 2008
While I believe that CEO's do a job that I would never particularly care for, and monetary wages are expected. How much income is really necessary to live comfortably?
Do professional athletes really needs multi-millions for a 4 year contract?
Do CEO's really need to make 1.4 million a year?
While I know the US is firmly a capitalist society, it's almost as though we've gotten out of control, and I believe that higher wages attract people to better themselves, but how attractive does the wages have to be?
| | No. 24 |
Nov 03, 2009, 11:12 PM
Re: Can't order ink pens but ceo earned > $1,400,000.00 in 2008 Originally Posted by FLmomof5 Interesting....
If you hate the CEO for earning so much and believe (mistakenly, BTW) that they do nothing more than sit on their butts, go golfing and have inappropriate interludes at lunch....then shadow one. Find out what they really do. Go to school and become one. NOW *you* know what RNs do...and can make a difference and earn more income (which - at that point - you will definitely feel you *deserve*!).
My husband's father said to him, "A doctor is not paid for his time, he is paid for what he knows." It is a CEO's knowledge that gets him that check. Most of us could not do his (or her) job.
It appears that many are angry about what they *think* is happening or why.
One thing I would point out....
In a communistic country, all citizens were paid the same regardless of education or level of effort. (Spread the wealth. No upper/lower class.) Well the productivity in those countries tanked. The guy working his behind off got ticked when the guy who sat on his arse did nothing and got the same check. As a result, he stopped working as hard. Why would you go through to get an MD or PhD when you would get the same pay as a janitor?
Then there is France. Oh they hate the *US*. We are a bunch of greedy selfish folks. Did you see them scream bloody murder when the Pres wanted to INCREASE their work week to 40 hrs (currently 30) and shorten their annual vacation time to 2 weeks (from 3 months)! We have what we have because of our own efforts. If you want more, seek more. If you do not seek more then it is time to have your lips greet each other.
Regarding the pens.....
Think of it this way.....
How many times did you "steal" pens from your employer? How many times did you get home, clean out your uniform pockets and there was a pen there that wasn't there when you got to work? You then left that one at home.... (rinse, repeat). How many times did you steal from your employer when you printed personal stuff using the hospital computer and/or printer? Have you ever used your employers copier or fax for personal reasons?
Sounds petty? Yeah, but if you add it up, it can cost a fortune in the long run. Think about it, if every employee came to work without a pen and left with one, how much would that cost the hospital per year?
That is the way a business person thinks.
I only began to think about this kind of stuff when I was at church one Sunday. I lived in a military town and I was AD USAF. The pastor asked us to raise our hands if we ever have stolen from our employers. Of course no hands went up. Then he said, "Raise your hands if you have 'Skilcraft' pens at home." The looks on the faces were priceless! I was raised military. I remember all those Skilcraft pens. I had never thought of it as stealing. He pointed out that the Lord would. Wow! I never took home another Skilcraft pen!
Oh brother...
Still no reason for a CEO to make millions a year. None. I'm all for capitalism, but these salaries are obscene.
And your argument is the main reason why healthcare is such a mess..because the business people are taking over. You have people making decisions about our worklives that have never touched a pt. Ridiculous.
I work my butt off everyday, many of us don't get lunches, breaks or we stay over to chart(in many cases off the clock). So boo-hoo if I walk off with a pen. I still think that Mr Money Hungry CEO will more to answer for come judgement day than Nurse X, the pen thief. | | No. 25 |
Nov 04, 2009, 06:13 AM
Re: Can't order ink pens but ceo earned > $1,400,000.00 in 2008
I have spent some of my time in hospital administration at the director level. Now don't get me wrong here. I was lucky. Except for the time that I worked for HCA, all other organizations had CEO's that worked hard and were paid a very fair salary for the job that they did. I did not feel that the salary I received was fair considering the number of departments I had responsibility for. For example, in Houston, at Ben Taub, I was the director of emergency and pediatric services there. I had the emergency department, pediatric emergency department, pedi intermediate care, pedi ICU and pedi floor and I was paid $70,000 per year. I took call 24/7 and trust me, I got called. I loved the job and I gained great experience from the position, but I would never do that job again for that amount of money.
When I worked at HCA, our CEO was paid a lot of money with a huge bonus at the end of the year if we met certain standards throughout the year. We would go to meetings and we never received any positive remarks. It was always cut here, cut there. I mean I would come in under budget by 2% one month and next month they would expect me to come in under budget by 4%. $$$$$$$$$$$$$ I could go on and on.
At the hospital I work at currently, our CEO makes $350,000 per year and he earns it. He is great and has surrounded himself by a great team. He knows how to motivate people and how to make things better for all of us, patients and staff included. This hospital has been in the toilet for years and until he came to our facility, nothing positive was happening. But he has made a 100% turn around. We finally made some money this year which he has put back into updating the facility by getting us new equipment. He also received a bonus which was fine with me. Fee for performance. The board gave him goals and he met them.
I don't mind people making money. But when your organization is going into the tank, when your staff is not happy, your patients are not happy and you don't have the equipment and supplies that you need to do your work, then the guy at the top should not be getting a pay increase. We have seen this over and over in business in the last few years and we have seen how people have been ripped off. And lets keep in mind, that the United States is the ONLY country in the world that makes a PROFIT from health care. This is why health care reform in the US is not going to work. We work on the GREED system here. When you start cutting into the bottom line of physicians, for profit hospitals, drug and medical equipment companies, there will be a big explosion. I guarantee you we will NEVER get a system that will serve everyone.
| | No. 26 |
Nov 05, 2009, 08:14 AM
Re: Can't order ink pens but ceo earned > $1,400,000.00 in 2008
My point was that if they cannot provide the basic supplies that the nurses need to care for their patients then they are taking too much profit out of the organization and need to find a way to rectify that problem and if that means taking less salary and bonuses then that should be done.
There are good and bad CEO's. Overall though I truly believe their salaries are way too high for what they do. Especially if the workers cannot be provided the tools they need. While i agree with higer salaries for more education, experience, job difficulty, and acheivment, I still feel they are taking too much profit out of health care.
| | No. 27 |
Nov 05, 2009, 02:30 PM
Re: Can't order ink pens but ceo earned > $1,400,000.00 in 2008
multimillion dollar compensation packages for executives are just one of the perks of the capitalist approach to healthcare delivery. I am not sure there are many perks on the delivery of care side of the business, but hey, that is not what drives a capitalist market. So...if you can skimp on pens, paper, dressing supplies, DME, wages, etc and make bigger profits...that is what is going to happen...in a capitalist, market driven healthcare system. The bottom line is not the patient, it is the profit.
We can reform healthcare, or, we can continue to let the market drive the system...as it is now...just like some of the critics to reform want. They can scream "socialism", kill meaningful reform, and we will continue to see more and more of this example.
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