Can Someone Be a Nurse Without Jean Watson?? - page 17

Ok now, as I delve back INTO nursing philosophy and theories, I come across, again, the theories of Jean Watson that have been hailed as the greatest thing since polyurethane IV bags - The Caring... Read More

  1. by   Dayray
    Nursing does not own the patent on caring. Those professions you listed above care just as much about their jobs as nurses do about theirs.
    I picked some professtions that were not involved in patient care. I threw in doctors becuase allthough some care, many do not. I have worked with some doctors and been very surprized with their compassion and dedication to their patients. More offten I hear them grumble about being woken up at 2:00 am and see them do some really insensitive things to their patients. So I guess I'll do a partial retraction. Some doc's do care about patients. Many of the Doctors I work with became doctors for the social status or becuase they wanted the money. Have you ever stood by (unable to do anything) when a doctor tells a 30 year old women that he wont do PTCA on her unless she comes up with $5,000 up front and then add that if she doesent she will more then likely die within a few months? Have you ever listened while the doctor told an 85 year old man (with end stage lung CA) that he coudlent eat turkey on thanks giveing becuase he had high cholesterol? Have you ever stood by listening when your 72 year old (June Cleaver, Miss Goody tushu silver heaired) patient asked "how much time do I have left" and heard the doctor say "oh what the F**K we all have to go sometime, and your so F**king old any way what does it matter?" Last week A doctor left a delivery when the patient was 10cm and complete becuse she had dinner plans, thankfully her partner go there as the baby was crowning.

    I've got hundreds of them but I do relise some doctors do care and I am thankful that they do
  2. by   rncountry
    glad2behere, you hit the nail on the head. I have often thought about a nursing group that was designed strictly for political purposes. A group in which it didn't matter if you were for unions or against unions. It didn't matter what your degree was or what area of nursing you worked in. It would be nurse led, nurse directed and it's purpose would be only to consolidate the power and voices of nurses for the good of the profession. Active recruiting would be done. In 11 years of nursing I have never even gotten a flyer from the ANA encouraging me to join. Thought once upon a time that I had the means and ability to do this, but it went to s**t.
    I would love to hear your ideas.
  3. by   ceecel.dee
    I'm entering very late, but just had to tip my hat to the very thoughtful discussion in this thread by some interesting intellects about how to change the concept of nursing, nursing theory and the future of nursing. How absolutely great to read something new and fresh, and actually "watch" the evolution of your ideas!

    Your thought provoking postings have encouraged some change in my thinking, and in ways that feel quite positive!

    Thank you for your real interest in doing something about the problems in our profession!
  4. by   Q.
    Thanks for resurrecting this thread! It was great to read it again.
  5. by   Glad2behere
    Anybody know what the operating budget of the ANA might be ?

    Well, let's try this instead.

    2,200,000 nurses factored by $200 annually per nurse.

    That is like $440,000,000.

    Or FOUR HUNDRED FORTY MILLION HUNSKIES to better our profession. How much does the AMA raise?

    Would this kinda money allow for some excruciating, well targeted change? Especially if you had a real voice in your own profession? Can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need.

    The power of money is awesome when focused in one direction.
  6. by   Glad2behere
    Another way to look at this....


    Would you trade one softdrink a day to better your profession?

    Work about an hour per month specifically to fund your professional advocacy? Make one meeting every occasionally?

    You pay Uncle Sam for 5 months straight.
  7. by   abrenrn
    I have found my forum. It is late and I have not read everything in it so I'm not sure if I missed the question I have.

    Does anyone think about or consider Florence Nightengale, the original nursing theorist who defined a profession? I never really did until recently when I read Notes on Nursing. I started wanted to blame her for the entire mess we are in and was amazed.

    Some of the things she said: "Nurses care for patients, physicians treat diseases. They are two separate professions, equally important."

    She defined nursing as professional care-giving; i.e. care provided to patients that she bould be based on scientific principles, research and observed results. Her main focus was results. Regardless of underlying theory, she went with what worked. A bit like evidenced based medicine.

    She points out that the non-professional care of patients by well meaning individuals often causes more harm than good.

    She wanted independent nursing schools to prevent hospitals from taking advantage of students for menial work.

    Everything she recommends is backed by current knowledge and observed data.

    Yes, her theory does not sound as unintelligibly brilliant as others I have read. Believe it or not, the simpler a theory sounds, the better it usually is.

    Until I read this, I did not have the words to say exactly what I do as a nurse, how I differ from a physican. Now I do. I provide professional care for patients. I am not more or less important than a physician, patients benefit from having one profession that focuses on treating disease, another that focuses on them.

    How did I miss this in my BS program, MS program, etc? It wan't there. If anything, her theory was a footnote, many of her accomplishments signed over to the field of public health.

    Anyone out there agree?

    By the way, she did help create the mess we are in because despite her brilliant, out of the box thinking in most areas, she could not escape the box of defined sexual roles and classism. Hence, she said only women could be good nurses and assumed an attitude of deference to the physician - a good physician will attend to what a nurse says, if they don't it's up to the nurse to make him understand.

    As for the existing professional structures, I am beginning to feel that their allegiance to hospitals, medicine and other areas overrides their allegiance to professional nursing.
  8. by   semstr
    so come on, Anne, this was 100 years ago, even longer-
    The women were in a very different position and were seen in their typical female-motherly-roles.
    (Some still are----------- LOL)
    Renee
  9. by   ceecel.dee
    Glad2behere-

    Count me in! A very small price to pay......IF they focused in their change-agent agenda.
  10. by   abrenrn
    Goodness, I did not not there was a statute of limitations on brilliance. People still talk about gravity - that was how many centuries ago? OK, Einstein proved Newton wrong - but only at extremes of distance, speed, etc. In the less extreme world we see around us, Newton works just fine.

    So, I think FN was absolutely brilliant in her definitin of nursing and theories re how it should be practiced - read notes on nursing, focus on her reasoning. Watson's cool, perhaps she adds to FN, but as far as I can tell, nobody has done it better yet.
  11. by   rncountry
    I personally like Lavina Dock. She not only contributed a great deal to nursing, she chained herself to the White House in the attempt to get the vote for Women. She was, of course, arrested. Not that one time but a couple times. She was very outspoken in women's rights, as well as nursing. My kind of gal!
  12. by   ohbet
    Caring is synonymous with love,and without caring/love,the individual will burnout,and it will lead to burn out for the following reason:
    Duty without love breeds weariness;
    duty with love breeds constancy.
  13. by   Q.
    Now I argue that caring/love LEADS to burnout.

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