Can a new grad negotiate? - page 2

Hey ya'll! I'm graduating this May and I was told by a couple of RN's that salaries are not negotiable with public hospitals. You see, I'm on the Mississippi Gulf Coast and we only have one or... Read More

  1. by   caroladybelle
    My thought is since he is male, that is why he has to ask for more.

    Like women are still working for the frills and don't need to ask for more.......... but the big old "man" has to ask for more.
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    I guess since I am a single female, I have to ask for at least 75,000 a year. After all, I have to support myself without a man around. The rentaboys that I get to open jars for me and take out the garbage are wanting a raise.
  2. by   elkpark
    Quote from caroladybelle
    My thought is since he is male, that is why he has to ask for more.

    Like women are still working for the frills and don't need to ask for more.......... but the big old "man" has to ask for more.
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    I guess since I am a single female, I have to ask for at least 75,000 a year. After all, I have to support myself without a man around. The rentaboys that I get to open jars for me and take out the garbage are wanting a raise.
    LOL! Exactly right! And, of course, we all know there are no single women supporting families, right? All us girls are just working for "mad money" ...
  3. by   Rage
    Quote from bucknangler

    Since I am a Male.............
    Whew......................glad I didn't say that.
  4. by   bucknangler
    Quote from earle58
    i too, do not understand what your gender has to do with this.
    would you help me understand???

    leslie

    Yes leslie , I would love to help you understand.

    As you have read, I live in the South. Men get paid more down here! That is a fact! Have ya'll not studied the "glass ceiling" in scoiology?


    Don't ya'll work with other male nurses? I have even been told by several nursing managers, talked to other male nurses about it, and my college professors of this phenomenon, and I have no reason to doubt them. In fact, my first day of Health Management, the FEMALE professor made all the men stand up and pointed out to the entire class of women that we will be making more than $10,000 a year when we graduate than our female new graduates.

    For example, I have been working as a CNA in the largest ER on the Coast for 2 years and make around $13.00 an hour while my female co-workers who have worked at the same hospital LONGER make far less in a 40 hour work week!

    So back to my point, by my thinking, a 4 year Nursing degree with high honors and more responsibility should be worth way more than just a measely $7.00 an hour ($20.00)??? So I hpe that there is room for negotiating..
    Last edit by Thunderwolf on Oct 18, '07 : Reason: condescending line removed
  5. by   bucknangler
    Let me rephrase my question...

    Do men have more room for negotiating as a new graduate than a female new graduate? If the base salary for a BSN nurse is $20.00 an hour, can I hope to get $25.00 an hour?
  6. by   Djuna
    Wow....haven't you heard of equality? How contemptuous you appear to every female RN reading your posts. With your male superiority complex you are going to get eaten alive once you hit the floor.
  7. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from bucknangler
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    As you have read, I live in the South. Men get paid more down here! That is a fact! Have ya'll not studied the "glass ceiling" in scoiology?

    There is no reason to get offended!
    hey bucknangler!

    we have this agency called the eeoc.
    it states that men and women shall receive equal pay for equal jobs.
    that is a fact.
    have ya'll not studied federal law?

    www.eeoc.gov/types/epa.html

    leslie
  8. by   RhodyGirl, RN
    All I have to say is....WOW.
    I have 9 credits in Sociology and have never heard of this supposed "glass ceiling." I am not an RN just yet, but I can be certain that such a sexist attitude will not work to anyone's advantage.
  9. by   Suninmyheart
    [quote=bucknangler;2452542]There is no reason to get offended!

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    No, of course not. Because it is the south and that is just the way things are...

    Yes there is a reason to get offended. Or perhaps because I am female I am supposed to be placated by your words and just accept this antiquated practice?

    There are many nurses (female) out there that will run circles around you.
    Last edit by Thunderwolf on Oct 18, '07 : Reason: subtle attacking line removed
  10. by   cobee
    I know about the whole glass ceiling thing, and I really don't think it applies to the nursing profession. Unless you've got major experience or something a hospital really needs, you being a male will not get you five more dollars than a female just as qualified as you are.

    Maybe if you were working in administration, it MIGHT give you a leg up, but seeing that nursing is mostly a female occupation, you won't get any further just being a guy. You being male does not make you a better nurse.
    Last edit by Thunderwolf on Oct 18, '07 : Reason: subtle attacking line removed
  11. by   Suninmyheart
    All flaming aside, (I am shaking this finger at myself)

    this is an important topic. Men generally ARE taught to be better at negotiating. I would think that the further we move along on the equality issue the better women will get at negotiating.

    Aside from gender inequality, I was at an interview today where I negotiated my starting pay upward and the director asked me not to discuss pay with any other nurses. (Duh). She relayed a story that revealed to me that some of her long-term much more experienced nurses are not making as much as some recent hires including myself. (I did not accept the job). What a dog-eat-dog world! Will I end up being a pro-union RN?

    Sun
    Last edit by Suninmyheart on Oct 17, '07
  12. by   bucknangler
    Quote from suninmyeyes
    All flaming aside, (I am shaking this finger at myself)

    this is an important topic. Men generally ARE taught to be better at negotiating. I would think that the further we move along on the equality issue the better women will get at negotiating.

    Aside from gender inequality, I was at an interview today where I negotiated my starting pay upward and the director asked me not to discuss pay with any other nurses. (Duh). She relayed a story that revealed to me that some of her long-term much more experienced nurses are not making as much as some recent hires including myself. (I did not accept the job). What a dog-eat-dog world! Will I end up being a pro-union RN?

    Sun

    Way to go Sun! That's what i'm talking about! Everybody, including myself, need to start putting ourselves first! That is the only way we can change the current system! Ladies, Learn from SuN!
  13. by   Patient_Care_Asst
    I wouldn't want to be enumerated based on my male gender. If I was the HR hiring manager and you approached me with such a request, I would promptly decline your employment offer in short order.

    That's just my objective opinion for your honest evaluation.

    Oh and incidentally, I should indicate I am a former PCA turned Executive Director for a national manufacturing operation. (AKA The individual responsible for the executive oversight of the organizations resource management hiring practices and policies.)

    I hope that helps and good luck in your employment endeavor.

    My Best.

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