Call yourself a nurse? - page 2
Call yourself a Nurse? Long post warning I know this issue has come up before but I have a problem with an individual who is apparently doing the above, calling herself a Nurse when as far as I... Read More
Feb 12, '07I agree with all other posters about earning the right to call yourself a nurse. I worked hard for it, I earned it, I have the scars, degree, and liscense to prove it!!!
But, I also wanted to respond to the OP comment about her co-worker claiming to have been in the armed forces. I am a veteran and do take offense to those that make false claims that they have served, let alone making false claims to having served in a war zone. Too many kids in my very small community have come home in body bags for me to tolerate that kind of malarkey. If the OP ever does decide or have the opportunity to confront this colleague, please let her know that those that really do or have served have the honor and dignity not to lie about it.
Sorry, just a slight pet peave of mine. Good luck with this situation. God does sort it all out in the end.
Feb 12, '07Quote from nrskarenrnbachelor of science in health services administration is not a nursing degree program in the us but rather an education program to teach managment of healthcare businesses.
federal government info: medical and health services managers
drexel u niversity's description sums up degree:
the health-services administration bachelor of science (b.s.) degree program, which consists of 180 quarter credits (120 semester credits), is designed to give students a foundation in general management and economic principles and policies related to health care and enables students to qualify for administrative/managerial positions in hospitals, managed-care organizations, health-insurance companies, and health-marketing firms. the program exposes students to the quantitative and qualitative aspects of the health-care industry by means of health-services-administration courses related to policy, law, economics, management, and marketing, as well as interdisciplinary courses dealing with religious, ethical, psychosocial, political, and historical perspectives on health-care practices.
lol!! i'm reading this, and have two thoughts:
1. yes, she apparently does have a degree in bs!
2. sounds like a pretty respectable degree, and puts you on the admin side of healthcare.... why on earth would anyone pretend to be on the blood and guts side?!? heck, health services admin would at least have a better wardrobe and less mess.
good luck in dealing with this one. you have two choices, too. leave her to hang herself (sounds like she will eventually) -or- get a hold of those who check such things for your company and let them know what is going on before she gives bad advice and hurts somebody.
i know in the us, there was something about that in ethics: if we know someone to be doing something dangerous, we actually are supposed to say something, to protect our licenses. i don't know that this would be covered for a wannabe-nurse.
i have run across several cna's who said they were nurses. one even had personalized tags on her car. i respect the job they do, it's major. but it really bothers me.
oh, and i'm an lpn going for my rn/bsn now, and eventually my np. i may have to get a tattoo when i'm done! (may throw a dnr tattoo in there, at the rate it's going!!! :d
Feb 12, '07Quote from gonzo1While I agree with the substance of what you are saying, I must state that when I hear a non-medical person say something that sounds medically dangerous or unsound I WILL make a comment. Like they say, "It's all in the delivery". We have an elderly man who sprays our house for insects (we live in the mountains of AZ with scorpions, centipedes,etc) monthly. This month he mentioned he had cataract surgery and that his surgeon had had to aspirate blood from his eye a couple of times; I know this man pretty well over the past 8 years, and know that he also takes aspirin prophylactically due to previous CAD. I merely mentioned to him that he should make sure that his surgeon is aware that he is on aspirin and any anticoagulants or NSAIDS. Another time while shopping at the local food coop, I ran into a young mother who had a 14month old who had had a severe case of croup; she said she had been scared to death when her infant started the typical "crowing sounds" of croup and seemed to be having some difficulty breathing. She said she took her to the ER and they told her to get a humidifier so she was using an old hot steam vaporizer that her mother had. I suggested that the cool mist humidifiers were more effective with decreasing the swelling that occurs in croup; I also mentioned what we used to tell mothers in the ER where I used to work: If your infant develops the symptoms of severe respiratory distress at home, take them out into the night air if its cool or as a last resort, while waiting for EMS, open the freezer and stand so the baby can breathe the cold air. It has saved more than one infant's life that I know of. Call me crazy, but when I know that someone is in need of some simple medical knowledge that could make a real difference in their life, I cannot withhold it and back off and tell them just to see their doctor. I always end ANYTHING I do tell them with, "But make sure you see your doctor about that", or "That's something you really need to let your Doctor know about." I have worked as a RN for more than 30 years and have never had a complaint or incident report against me for any reason.Before I became a nurse I loved to play doctor and give people medical advice. Since getting my RN I have seen the error of my ways and no longer give medical advice. It just isn't safe. I always tell every one they need to see their doctor. I worked too hard for my degree to chance loosing it. No one ever gets mad at me for not helping them and most are amazed and happy when I tell them to see their doctor.
Feb 13, '07Quote from celeste7767:yeahthat: I just consider it patient education, which is one thing we are all supposed to do. I only share "common sense" type stuff, fluids, rest, Acetaminophen or NSAIDs. I always say, if your child is having ANY trouble breathing, go in! Follow up with your doctor. But there are a lot of new moms that just don't know what to do for babies, since we don't usually live with our moms and grandmothers nearby to help out and teach.Call me crazy, but when I know that someone is in need of some simple medical knowledge that could make a real difference in their life, I cannot withhold it and back off and tell them just to see their doctor. I always end ANYTHING I do tell them with, "But make sure you see your doctor about that", or "That's something you really need to let your Doctor know about."
At church, I get asked a lot of things, but not advice as much as to get stuff explained well enough to understand better.
Fortunately, I haven't run into too many people who claim my title, but it still burns me up. People have been surprised when I tell them "nurse" is a legally protected title.
Feb 13, '07Off the topic but after the recent death of Anna Nicole Smith. The media were reporting that a nurse was in the room when she died. (I guess this nurse failed to notice that her patient had STOPPED BREATHING.) Later it turns out the body guard is an EMT. Later I'm sure we will hear that the bodyguard took a CPR course once. But for days it was reported that "a trained nurse was in attendance." That irritated me most of all, nurses aren't trained, nurses are educated.
Feb 13, '07hmmmm, if she doesnt have lvn or rn after her name, shes not a nurse. health admin isnt the same as nursing and it will never be. someone needs to put her in her place before she gives the wrong advice and puts someones life in jeopardy.
Feb 12, '08Hi--I enjoyed reading through all the posts--the outrage is mine as well about someone claiming to be a nurse who is not. I also hesitate to give any advice. Here is when I go completely off topic...sort of. I have an older friend who last year told me he had just stopped taking his cardiac/HTN meds. I was curious what he was on, and he said that he had just sort of stopped...I was horrified and concerned, and I began to nag. Now this wasn't medical advice, really, just take the prescribed meds b/c you have family hx, htn, blah blah. He didn't listen and ended up in the cath lab with a stent in Aug. Big old blockage, MI. Lucky guy, really. Now, he tells me he is taking lots of aspirin for headaches. (On top of the anticoags for the stent, etc.) I really just want to kill him to end the suspense of when he will die. What to do with people in your lives like this? Where is the pt education if it isn't with us out there in the community?