But she's not a nurse! - page 7

I just started a new position running a clinic. The clinic is staffed by myself and one CNA. I am so happy to be working with this CNA as she has over 15 years experience working in this clinic and... Read More

  1. by   REDWOMANRN
    I WORK IN A SMALL URGENT CARE CLINIC.

    THE MA'S DO IT ALL!!!!!

    SHOTS, MEDS, TRIAGE --THE WORKS!!!!
    AND YES, THEY ARE CALLED "NURSE"!!!!

    I JUST TAKE THE PHILOSOPHY THAT AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT WORKING UNDER MY LICENSE, THAT IS JUST HOW IT IS!!!!

    I WOULD, HOWEVER, REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TECHNICALLY ALLOWED TO DO--I KNOW INJECTIONS IS NOT ON THE LIST!!!!!
  2. by   Flo1216
    Oftentimes when I am at work, pts assume I am a nurse and ask me for things that I can not help them with. I wonder if this happens with "Nurse Judy" I of course, correct them. I also AlWAYS wear my ID. It infuriates me when people don't wear ID..especially if I am floating to an unfamiliar unit. Our LPNS and RNS dress exactly alike and I don't know who does what because I don't know who the hell they are. Arrgghhh!
  3. by   BBelle
    Um excuse me RedwomanRN, but CMA's are allowed to give injections. We are also technically allowed to draw blood, draw up meds, triage, EKG's, vitals, assist the doctor(s), call in prescriptions, cath, waived testing such as dipsticks for UA's, ovulation testing, ESR's, spun microhematocrit and blood glucoses. We also do gram staining, throat cultures rapid strep tests, etc.
    CMA's also are trained to run a front office of a physician's practice. And some of us are office managers.
    CMA's do a a lot of things that a nurse can do. MA's are trained to work in a doctor's office. We are nationally accredited by the AAMA and we too have to sit for an exam.
    Just because we don't have the word nurse in our title(like CNA)doesn't mean that we aren't trained to do some of what nurses do.
    And why do CNA's get so much recognition when they can't even give injections? They are trained to work in nursing homes.
  4. by   Q.
    BBelle,

    No disrespect, but listing off a slew of monkey skills does not impress anyone. And, the CMA's I work with can give injections yes, but only deltoid IMs. All other deep IMs have to be given by a licensed nurse. Also, they are unable to give any controlled substances via injection. MAs (certified or not) are also by no means qualified to triage or assess anything! (at least in my clinic) and as far as I am concerned, it should stay that way. The last time a CMA triaged anything in this state it resulted in a girl going into kidney failure and being blind as a result of BCPs; the MA taking the call was unable to process the connection between the hematuria, blurry vision, and newly dispensed BCPs.

    MAs should be allow to report findings only to a nurse or physician, but certainly not assess nor triage. I have only seen horrible patient outcomes when an MA attempts to do this.

    Again, bottom line, many people can mimick a nurse and copy what she does - psychomotor wise, but they are still NOT a nurse. You are a nurse when you sit for the nursing licensing exam. And until the public doesn't identify "nurse" with a licensed one, I feel that no one under any circumstances who is NOT licensed as a nurse should call themselves one.
  5. by   Flo1216
    Medical assistants go to school for less than a year. It's NOT the same thing. And in my opinion, MA's have NO business doing triage. No offense.
  6. by   Q.
    Originally posted by BBelle
    And why do CNA's get so much recognition when they can't even give injections? They are trained to work in nursing homes.
    I don't know of any CNA who gets the recognition she deserves; hell I don't know of many RNs or LPNs either. But CNAs are valued here because they work in nursing homes, which takes a kind heart and skilled hand to do - and CNAs also work in hospitals - ACUTE CARE- and are getting down and dirty giving basic bedside care to very ill patients.
    Last edit by Susy K on Aug 4, '02
  7. by   P_RN
    Please no "job bashing." This topic has been round and round several times. Different work titles such as CNA and MA have different parameters in different states.

    I was a MA with NO formal training and did all of the above. Some MAs have a 2 year degree.

    Just let's leave the word NURSE to the RNs LPNs and LVNs.
  8. by   Flo1216
    Oh, give me a break. It is absurd for a medical assistant to compare herself to a nurse or to be called one. My friend is a MA and went to school for 9 months, not even. I personally miss nurses in the doctors office and I don't feel comfortable giving my personal confidential information to a medical assistant. I am not comfortable with the idea of medical assistants, period.It is not meant to offend anyone, it is just the way I feel. It seems like all of these little medical positions are being created to cut costs. My friend was an MA and made $9.50 an hour. Hell of a lot cheaper than an RN or LPN. And as for a CNA getting so much recognition...most of them get treated like crap and are looked down upon as inferior and uneducated. I know because I work as a CNA and put up with it everyday.It's a thankless job but somebody has to do it.
  9. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    originally posted by susy k
    bbelle,

    no disrespect, but listing off a slew of monkey skills does not impress anyone....
    watch-out-there now...anyone using the dreaded "monkey" word on these bbs knows what's coming :angryfire.... just stick to the point & leave the harsh "monkey slinging" bit to the ignorant souls who truly believes in that term please....thanks :blushkiss - moe. we all don't have to agree but we should at least be civil!!!
  10. by   Q.
    Hey, Moe, can't help it. Watching 12 Monkeys on DirecTV right now.....:chuckle
  11. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    i'll forgive you then :d
  12. by   Flo1216
    It's true, though. There is so much more to nursing than simply performing a variety of tasks and it bothers me when non-nurses say, " We do the same things nurses do," Any idiot can give an injection. I may not have put it the way Suzy did, but I agree with her150%.
  13. by   StrawberryBSN
    flo1216...what is your title in the healthcare field? just curious.


    s_bsn

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