Assisting with micturition

  1. 0 I have a question for you: is it appropriate for a nurse (CNA or higher), while assisting a male patient with a urinal, or standing up to urinate, to hold the patient's penis for him, especially if he so requests it? It should be noted that many men ask for this due to paruria (i.e., a male may not be able to void for psychological reasons unless he is assisted in micturition).

    And it is standard practice to do this when collecting a midstream catch when the patient is in bed.
    Last edit by sirI on Jun 10, '07
  2. Visit  mobilmedic profile page

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    mobilmedic has '27' year(s) of experience and specializes in 'Urology, surgery, pediatrics'. From 'Charleston, SC'; Joined Aug '06; Posts: 9.

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  3. Visit  DutchgirlRN profile page
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    Quote from mobilmedic
    I have a question for you: is it appropriate for a nurse (CNA or higher), while assisting a male patient with a urinal, or standing up to urinate, to hold the patient's penis for him, especially if he so requests it? It should be noted that many men ask for this due to paruria (i.e., a male may not be able to void for psychological reasons unless he is assisted in micturition).

    And it is standard practice to do this when collecting a midstream catch when the patient is in bed.
    Firstly nurse is LPN or higher. I don't think it is appropriate to hold the patients penis and most especially not appropriate if he requests it. If a man cannot void for psychological reasons he needs to discuss that with his shrink or urologist.

    I have taken a urinal and placed around the penis and held it in place to keep the patient from voiding outside the urinal. Some fresh post op patients and some elderly require help but I don't recall any specifically asking for that kind of help, especially not holding it.
    Last edit by DutchgirlRN on Jun 10, '07
  4. Visit  wooh profile page
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    Why is he unable to hold his own penis if it's in need of being held?
  5. Visit  TazziRN profile page
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    If he can stand, even with assistance, he can probably hold it himself. If he's in bed and unable to, I have placed the penis in the urinal opening and if needed with hold it in place so that the stream is aimed in the urinal. But to hold it because of psychological reasons? No way!!
  6. Visit  Rizpah profile page
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    Gee, it's been a long time since I've heard that term!

    We have a couple of gentlemen like that, always wanting help, especially from the "young" staff - though this guy states he's blind! yah right!
  7. Visit  wooh profile page
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    Quote from Rizpah
    We have a couple of gentlemen like that, always wanting help, especially from the "young" staff - though this guy states he's blind! yah right!
    When I did grown-ups, it's funny how easy it was to "cure" the men that had to have help with it by simply sending in a male staff member to help.
  8. Visit  TazziRN profile page
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    Oh yeah! There's one guy I know who's exposing himself every chance he gets and will claim he can't void and needs a foley. The staff finally caught on and whenever possible sent a man in to do it. Never failed, he always had a sudden breaking of the dam!
  9. Visit  ohmeowzer RN profile page
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    i wouldn't do it... i'd hand him a urinal...
  10. Visit  confused101 profile page
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    I have put the urinal where it needs to be in the bed or helping a pt. stand up. Some men say they can't pee in the bed and have to stand up. No big deal. I hate when men expose themselves for the sake of doing it. I have put the penis in the urinals in the bed for the little old sick men. It's either that or clean the bed every time.
  11. Visit  Indy profile page
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    I've met male patients who can't hold it themselves. I'll assist in those cases, and I'll wish they had a foley. I bathed a man during clinicals whose hands were so badly deformed from arthritis that he couldn't hold a washrag. He was aware of his odd situation and talked to me about church; I figured yeah, anything to not talk about the bath.

    One guy with hemiparesis and chronic UTI's normally used a condom cath. Now I'll tell you it is flat out impossible to put one on with one hand and have the darn thing stay on. Thank god I read allnurses or it wouldn't have occurred to me to use skin prep. Very nice guy, he did the holding and told me what to do so the stupid thing would stay in place and we wouldn't have to keep changing his bed. His situation was one that had him tied in all sorts of psychological knots, and I pity him. He felt sorry for me by the time I got done trying to figure out how to fiddle with the thing; especially when I broke down and laughed and said, "ok really I haven't tried to do this in ages." It's possible to find humor even in embarrassing things.

    Then there are the parkinson's patients who use their steady hand to hold onto the walker and the shakey hand to hold the urinal, and pee all over the floor rather than ask for help. Honestly, I've cleaned enough floors that I almost wish they'd ask.
  12. Visit  mshultz profile page
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    I have been wondering why some men want their penis held from the first time I read about this. Public urination not being one of my talents, the last thing I want would be someone holding my penis while I am trying to urinate.

    Fortunately, I always had privacy for this when I was in the hospital. Being naked in front of others and the sponge bath (including peri care) were interesting new experiences. I do not have a problem with health care workers seeing and touching me. Just give me privacy when I need to urinate.
  13. Visit  nursesrule67 profile page
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    I have been asked to "hold" the penis before -- I take into account the patient's own abilities and usually will hold the urinal for them, pick up their hand and help them hold their own penis -- get an order for a Texas catheter, or a foley if need be. I'm respectful but will not fall for those patients who are playing with me. I use my best judgment and find a better solution than my having to actually hold someone's penis because most likely once discharged from the hospital they don't have someone at their beck and call to do it for them so I explain the whole spiel about preserving functional indepence, etc. but trust me, I've seen it all!
  14. Visit  not now profile page
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    The ones that ask me to hold it are perfectly capable of holding their own penis and I usually say "Hold it yourself". The ones that can't usually don't ask.


    I had one guy ask me to rub lotion on his butt. I told him "If you can wipe your own butt, you can put lotion on your own butt."


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