Assessments every shift?

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So, I'm about to get out in the real world of nursing. I worked as a tech for awhile on a busy med/surg unit so I feel like I have a little real world experience that will come in handy. I realize that not everything you learn in school is practical in practice, but I have a concern about the lack of physical assessments I've witnessed (or failed to witness) by the nurses.

Of course, they tell us in school that we're to do a full physical assessment on each patient at the beginning of our shift. That would include listening to heart/lungs, checking the skin, pupils, etc.

The only time I ever see a full physical assessment is upon admission. I'm wondering, do the nurses just trust that the nurse who admitted the patient documented everything accurately and go by that? What if the patient had a pressure ulcer or something and the admitting nurse didn't see it, or actually didn't even look?

I'd like to do full physical assessments on all my patients, but I am naive to think that's possible? Do you do them each shift? I know that a lot of times you can assess a patient without being obvious so just because I might not see the nurse take off the patient's socks and feel their pedal pulses doesn't mean they didn't do it. However, I have seen patients come in wearing blue jeans and never take their jeans off when the shift changes. So, I KNOW they didn't even glance at the patient's back side, etc.

What do you do?

What if a "walky talkie" patient says everything is fine down there so you take their word for it and chart it.

Nah, I force assessments on alert, adult patients whether they like it or not. Assault charges be damned!

Nah, I force assessments on alert, adult patients whether they like it or not. Assault charges be damned!

A patient refusing an assessment and charting that you did an assessment that didn't happen are not the same thing.

I have seen patients refuse having their vital signs taken, and I've also seen doctors tell them that if they refused again that they would be discharged.

Specializes in Med-Surg; Telemetry; School Nurse pk-8.

Never trust the previous shift's assessment. True story... I received report on a patient who the reporting nurse said had + pedal pulses bilat. Imagine my surprise during my assessment when I pulled back the bed covers and saw that he had bilat BKA's. The moral of the story? Do your own assessment!

The only way to rid yourself of any concerns and what ifs is if you do your own assessments. That way you can honestly chart and not have to worry about it. If the patient is A/O and a "walkie talkie" and they have a problem with you looking at their bum and want to refuse, then all you have to do is chart that they refused so "unable to assess". There is nothing like knowing you are a good, honest nurse, and really it's the only way your conscience will let you sleep at night.

I work nights and I inconvenience my patients a lot by having them turn and whatnot, but at the end of the day, I know I did what I was supposed to. You will find that when you make a good find that no one else did because they did not in fact assess the patient, you will be proud that you have integrity.

Specializes in Gerontology, Med surg, Home Health.

The last time I was a patient in the hospital, no one did any assessments once I left the ER for the med surg floor. The CNA took vitals once in a while but no one ever looked at my IV site or anything else. I would have welcomed any one who came in and assessed my lungs or any other body part!

Specializes in Gerontology, Med surg, Home Health.

Oops...except for the aforementioned cavity search.

I believe best practice would be an assessment each shift on med-surg and more often in icus etc. Best to practice by best practice no matter what others do or do not do. None of my patients can say they do not get an assessment. It is true I do not look at a walkie-talkie for decubs or do neuro checks on non neuro patients but lungs, o2, bellies, pulses, iv sites, incisions,etc always. Admit bedridden ltc patient I look good at skin for issues.

Specializes in Med-Surg/Tele, ER.

It really doesn't matter what anyone else does. You are responsible for what you do and for holding yourself up to your own standards. You have to find a way to keep your full assessment and fit it into the time constraints you will be under.

Now, it might take me an entire shift to do a full assessment, as I also do it in bits and pieces (heart lungs belly edema at the beginning of shift, then skin when you help them to the bathroom, pupils whenever you are talking to the patient etc.), but they get the full assessment. I don't chart on anything I haven't seen, instead I chart "Have not witnessed at this time" or "unable to assess", then when I do actually assess that part, I go back and chart it.

I loveeeee assessments! That's my favorite part of nursing! Sadly people tend to copy whatever the previous shift has documented! I'm sorry but the staples , and chest tubes have been removed 2 days AGO!!!!! What ****** me off is that some nurses don't change he freakin tubings and iv sites ughhhhhhhhh...,, finish your work before u leave!

I don't think you would have to do an actual "rectal exam" to see that something is off. What if a "walky talkie" patient says everything is fine down there so you take their word for it and chart it. Then, in the middle of the night, they claimed to have fallen down on their way to the bathroom....and low and behold, there is a bruise covering their entire backside? Well, the bruise wasn't there before (according to your charting, even though you never looked) and now it is...so there's the "proof."
i chart i didnt look. most walkie talkies are going to refuse this.
Specializes in ICU/PACU.

A good assessment can be completed in under 2 minutes. Do it first thing in the morning, no matter what. Your license is at stake! And most nurses do their AM assessments, so patients will notice when one nurse doesn't do it.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
Yeah, I don't trust other people's judgements - especially when it's going to be my license and after seeing some of what I've seen. You said you'll try to get them to turn if there's a wound reported on the back side. I guess that's the kind of thing I'm wondering though...what if there's not a wound reported? Wouldn't you still need to look for yourself? What if there's not a wound reported because nobody checked?

I don't know if I'm just being paranoid. That's why I'm asking because I don't want to be the "new naive nurse" who annoys my co-workers by wanting to see everything for myself. I'm guessing if the admitting nurse missed something then she would be liable, but since every shift has an assessment to be signed off, I would be liable for signing off on skin integrity if it was later found that there was a wound.

You are not liable for other nurses you are libel for yourself. If the admitting nurse missed something does not absolve you from missing it as well. Do not judge your practice by other nurses for they will not help you out in a court of law. Be concerned for your own practice. Some nurses do not do the "full head to toe" at the beginning of the shift and will vary the time they do their full assessment......One may be during the bath.....another when you go to change a drsg....another when they are incontinent and another when you go to give a med or change the IV bag. They can be staggered throughout the day.

You are responsible for your assessment on your patient.

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