artificial feeding-Terri Schiavo - page 56

I posted this here becaue I think this subject is something that we as nurses deal with on a regular basis.....Many many people state that they have a big problem with the feeding being stopped... Read More

  1. by   Hardknox
    Michael Shaivo has been made out to be the devil incarnate by many but I have no respect for the Schindlers. Mama can't visit Terri anymore--so overcome. Daddy is setting the hospice movement back many years with his comments. Now they are selling names of supporters.


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    List of Schiavo Donors To Be Sold



    If you expressed your support to Terri Schiavo and her parents fight to keep her alive, you may begin to receive a steady stream of solicitations, according to a Local 6 News report.





    Terri Schiavo's parents have agreed to sell their list of supporters to a direct-mailing firm, Local 6 News reported.

    The company, "Response Unlimited" pays about $150 a month for 6,000 names and $500 a month for 6,000 e-mail addresses.

    A spokesperson for the Schindlers confirmed that they had agreed to sell the information, but won't say for how much.
  2. by   begalli
    Quote from Hardknox

    Terri Schiavo's parents have agreed to sell their list of supporters to a direct-mailing firm, Local 6 News reported.

    A spokesperson for the Schindlers confirmed that they had agreed to sell the information, but won't say for how much.
    They are also selling video tapes of Terri for a "donation" to the representatives of the Schindler's cause.

    The parents had to give consent for this.

    Why would anyone exploit their own daughter like that?!

    yuck.
  3. by   Hardknox
    Quote from Tweety
    Terri has received only two suppositories for pain, no drips or IV pushes. Funny how people can twist things around.
    The father that is worried that those suppositories will overdose his daughter has found a way to make $ off his dying daughter.


    Local - WKMG MyCFNow.com
    WKMG MyCFNow.com
    List of Schiavo Donors To Be Sold



    If you expressed your support to Terri Schiavo and her parents fight to keep her alive, you may begin to receive a steady stream of solicitations, according to a Local 6 News report.



    Terri Schiavo's parents have agreed to sell their list of supporters to a direct-mailing firm, Local 6 News reported.

    The company, "Response Unlimited" pays about $150 a month for 6,000 names and $500 a month for 6,000 e-mail addresses.

    A spokesperson for the Schindlers confirmed that they had agreed to sell the information, but won't say for how much.
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    That Is Disgusting!
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I think a lot of the Shiavo threads should be merged. This is getting crazy now.
  6. by   Hardknox
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Could this be included in the other Schiavo thread which is discussing the exact same issue?
    Well, Carolina, if you'll notice the three other posters do not have premium service membership and cannot join in the discussion if it's put in current events forum.
  7. by   webblarsk
    Quote from Hardknox
    Well, Carolina, if you'll notice the three other posters do not have premium service membership and cannot join in the discussion if it's put in current events forum.
    I believe there is a large thread, more that 600 posts in the General nursing forum. I could be wrong though!:uhoh21:
  8. by   Euskadi1946
    Quote from webblarsk
    I believe there is a large thread, more that 600 posts in the General nursing forum. I could be wrong though!:uhoh21:
    webblarsk, i know this is off of the subject, but i'm a premium member and would like to know how i can get some more avatars...thanks...by the way Garfield is one of my faves!!!!
  9. by   Hardknox
    Quote from webblarsk
    I believe there is a large thread, more that 600 posts in the General nursing forum. I could be wrong though!:uhoh21:

    Nope...you're right!!! Merge the thread!!! :chuckle
  10. by   HisAlone
    This is my first post on this forum so please be patient as I learn :-) This post is not directed in reply to any specific post - it's just MHO.

    I have been trying to focus primarily on the legal aspects of this case. The emotional issues are too subjective to gain any kind of meaningful consensus on. My primary concern is regarding the irregularities in the court procedures in this case. It has been reported that as the court appointed guardian, Mr. Schiavo has consistently violated the statutory filing requirements under guardianship laws, which technically forfeited his legal authority to act as guardian. Judge Greer’s office was also required to perform annual reviews on all of the guardianship plans submitted under his jurisdiction, which doesn’t appear to have been done either. Teri had a guardian ad litem at one time, but Judge Greer dismissed this individual in 1999, upon petition of Mr. Schiavo, after he had recommended that the feeding tube not be removed. Since then, he has refused to appoint a new guardian ad litem, appointing himself to the role, which is strictly prohibited by the state Code of Judicial Conduct. No judge may serve as a guardian unless the ward is a member of his own family. These procedures are not trivial - they are safeguards that are in place to protect the interests of patients who are unable to represent themselves. For those who expansively believe that all husbands have the uncontested right to make end-of-life decisions for their spouse I have only one thing to say: Laci Peterson. Laws are in place to protect us in situations where the ideal perfect world fails us. They are for the exception, not the norm. I am gloriously happy to see so many people stepping out to sing the praises of their wonderful marriages (like my own :-) however, we need only turn on the nightly news to remind us that not all families are so fortunate.

    I’m a hospice nurse and am also concerned with what harm this case will do to the hospice industry. Hospice philosophy has traditionally rejected euthanasia and has focused instead on patient comfort. They are responsible for huge advancements in the understanding of both pain and pain management. We do in fact routinely withhold food and water (with or without a tube) but only when the patient refuses nourishment, which is usually within the course of active dying. At this time the patient’s body has already begun a very orderly process of shutting down. As most of you know the GI system and the renal system are two of the first auxiliary systems to go, so the food can’t be moved and the water can’t be excreted. To force food and water on a patient whose GI and renal systems are not functioning will obviously cause discomfort. But in the case of a patient whose body systems are functioning and with active metabolism taking place, the withholding of food and water starts a chain of events that are independent of the patient’s diagnosis. In this case the patient’s death is directly as a result of externally mediated interventions executed by healthcare workers. In my book, this is euthanasia, unlike termination of a ventilator which permits death through the processes already in place as a consequence of the patient’s diagnosed disease/injury. I am also troubled that this particular hospice is purportedly being investigated for Medicare Fraud. Hospice requires the signature of two physicians to certify that the patient is terminal with a life expectancy of less than 6 months. This particular hospice has allegedly taken patients under Medicare – including Teri Schiavo (apparently with Judge Greer’s consent) - without this certification. When you add the fact that this particular hospice has a troubling person sitting on its Board – George Felos: Mr. Schiavo’s attorney and a well-known and published euthanasia advocate, my skin starts to crawl.

    I went into nursing to protect and give comfort to patients, not to be the judge of the quality of someone else’s life or to serve as the executioner when that quality is questioned by anyone other than the patient. In the absence of a living will or advanced directive signed by the patient forming the basis of informed consent, I believe withholding nutrition and hydration from patients who are incapable of communicating their needs and wishes goes against our code of ethics. I am personally not willing to step out onto that slippery slope.
  11. by   webblarsk
    Quote from CeCiRN
    webblarsk, i know this is off of the subject, but i'm a premium member and would like to know how i can get some more avatars...thanks...by the way Garfield is one of my faves!!!!
    i think its avatarmagic.com they have some cute avatar's!
  12. by   bugsbee
    James HoffmanPlease read hardknox I don't think you know whats happening in this case. The Schindlers are using their daughter to make money and get attention. What a shame taking away her dignity and privacy.
  13. by   James Huffman
    Quote from bugsbee
    James HoffmanPlease read hardknox I don't think you know whats happening in this case. The Schindlers are using their daughter to make money and get attention. What a shame taking away her dignity and privacy.
    What the Schindlers may or may not be doing is not the point. And actually, I know quite a bit about this case. But then, neither is that the point.

    You have accused the parents of a dying woman of of being the cause of death threats against Michael Schiavo.

    Specifically: "What about michaels life threatened due to the schindlers."

    I presume you have verifiable evidence of this. All I am asking is that you give us the evidence you obviously have.

    Jim Huffman, RN

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