artificial feeding-Terri Schiavo - page 54

I posted this here becaue I think this subject is something that we as nurses deal with on a regular basis.....Many many people state that they have a big problem with the feeding being stopped... Read More

  1. by   Tweety
    Quote from begalli
    Today, a resident other than Terri Shiavo passed away at this hospice.

    According to news reports, as a direct result of the "circus" going on outside the hospice, the granddaughter of the resident who passed away was unable to get past security at the hospice and to the bedside of her grandfather in time.

    This is unbelievable.

    http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/22/So...city_int.shtml

    Spouse has a good friend, who is also an anquaintence of mine, whose mother just moved to this hospice. There are prescious few inpatient hospice beds in town, so he didn't have much of a choice. He says the traffic is dreadful and it's such an ordeal to see his mother. It's bad enough to have to deal with his mother who is bleeding internally from terminal cancer, I feel bad for him. But he has a very good attitude about it.

    Another friend who is an executive with hospice says it's interfering with day to day business meetings. Sad as it sounds they are so looking forward for this to end.
    Last edit by Tweety on Mar 28, '05
  2. by   Tweety
    Quote from stevielynn
    and those on the other side aren't just as adamant about their views? this is a two-way street with extremes on both sides.



    sorry tweety - this guy is nuts, not to mention meanspirited. but good try.

    steph

    i was merely trying to show how extreme both sides of the position can be. which you noted . i'm not buying into this guys ideas either, 100% because as you say it contains many blanket statements and presumptions. but some of the articles you guys have posted are just as nuts to me as this guy is to you.
    Last edit by Tweety on Mar 28, '05
  3. by   Tweety
    Quote from medsurgnurse
    Don't turn this into a Bush bashing tirade.
    Not my intentions at all.
  4. by   UnewmeB4
    Michael has requested that the Medical Examiner perform an autopsy on Terri when she dies. I respect him for that.
  5. by   lpn3324
    I also applaud Michael for requesting an autopsy. I am so tired of this case and all the mis-information that is being thrown around. Whatever happened to HIPPA regulations ? I feel more sorry for the other patient's and families,at this point. The purpose of a hospice in my understanding is to provide a peaceful transition to death,which they are now being denied
    Last edit by lpn3324 on Mar 29, '05 : Reason: add a comment
  6. by   bugsbee
    I'm so glad Michael has requested an autopsy. The parents of Terri have accused him of everything they, are such sad desperate people. It will be good to have it over and never have to hear of the Schindler's again.
  7. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from Tweety
    "Terri Schiavo Was Just An Innocent Bystander To A Political, Elmer Gantry Circus Of GOP Political Opportunists And Religious Hucksters

    But with the help of the infamous Randall Terry and the GOP hypocrisy machine, a case long ago settled by the courts, was hijacked to advance Republican fortunes and fill the pocket books of celebrity fundamentalist preachers.

    And of course, unknown to most of the public, the Schiavo parents were being assisted by an army of PR luminaries from the so-called pro-life fanatics, including the infamous Randall Terry. A group of friars from Minnesota became one of the main visual images of the Schiavo parents' "religiosity." But, strangely enough, one of the friars admitted that they "pulled the plug" on the founder of their small group when he became seriously ill. Brother John Kaspari told the Tampa Bay Tribune, "He would have required intubation to keep him alive," Kaspari said. "We chose not to go that route. His lungs were full of fluid."

    Are any of these religious right fanatics NOT hypocrites?
    Everytime that I see the phrase, "Family spokesman, Randall Terry" in the media, I know that the case has fallen into the depthes of hypocrisy.

    Randalll Terry, who wanted to bar divorce for any but biblical grounds and campaigned for office by slamming his opposition for being divorced, was granted a divorce from Cindy Dean in 2001. The reason and I quote,"I was tired of the marriage".

    Funny, that I never saw that as biblical grounds...it doesn't fall under abandonment, abuse, adultery or violation of pauline privilege.

    Mr. Terry, who spoke out against "liberal divorce laws" complained that immoral men used them to discard older wives and trade them in for "newer models", married is much younger former housekeeper/assistant, now.

    While he reported that he was undergoing longterm extensive counseling before remarrying, his remarriage came within 7 monthes of his divorce.

    After counseling and censuring Mr.Terry for "unbiblical" behavior, the Landmark Church was sued by him. They blew the whistle on some very unethical behavior by him.

    See, Mr. Terry lost a number of legal suits and had funds confiscated to pay those suits (predominately to planned parenthood). He reorganized Operation Rescue to an organization Operation Save America, to escape paying the suits. He then pleaded poverty in a fund raising letter to his faithful followers, that he merely wanted funds "to care for his family and put a roof over his head". The money rolled in to provide him "with a roof over his head".

    He neglected to mention that the house was for his new wife, not for his deserted wife and family. He also neglected to mention that it was in Florida (where you can keep your house, despite bankruptcy and many lawsuits...it generally cannot be taken from you ...no matter it's value). He neglected to mention his divorce or the circumstances. He also neglected that he had already closed on a property in excess of $432,000 (data varies on that) prior to sending out this plea of proverty.

    In that part of Florida, $432,000 buys a heck of a lot more than a simple roof over your head.

    Landmark and OSA sent out disclaimers after finding out that he was divorced. Thus, his lawsuit.

    In addition the Terrys adopted some children to "save"them from their circumstances. Recently, the son came out as a homosexual. Randall has publicly said that he bars Jamiel from entering his home, "because he might take pictures of his family" and they might be published. That he did not want his family's privacy invaded in that manner.

    He also offered to pay for Jamiel's "reparative"therapy to "cure" his homosexuality. To my knowledge, Jamiel has not indicated his wish to be "cured" it taken him up on the offer.

    This man has about as much business speaking on morality and "family values" as Larry Flynt does.
    Last edit by caroladybelle on Mar 29, '05
  8. by   rnmomof1
    I believe the media leads you to believe what they want because just like her saying "I want to live" . She never said words just sounds which were involuntary. With the part of the brain that is intact she is uncapable of voluntary language or any comprehension of her world. If you are right about dehydration that would be a peaceful death which is what she deserves.
    Last edit by rnmomof1 on Mar 29, '05
  9. by   BBFRN
    Quote from bugsbee
    I'm so glad Michael has requested an autopsy. The parents of Terri have accused him of everything they, are such sad desperate people. It will be good to have it over and never have to hear of the Schindler's again.
    I'd be sad and desperate too, if I were in their shoes...this is their child. No need to villify them.
  10. by   fab4fan
    And there's no need to villify Michael, either.
  11. by   Tweety
    Very interesting post Carolina! (as always).
  12. by   bugsbee
    lgflamni What a shame that the grandaughter who tried to see her grandfather before he passed away could not due to the security thanks to the Schindlers ourside the Hospice. What about michaels life threatened due to the schindlers. Yes they have caused all this. Michael is just trying to let his wife die peacefully not take away all her dignity and privacy as her parents have.
  13. by   James Huffman
    Quote from bugsbee
    lgflamni What a shame that the grandaughter who tried to see her grandfather before he passed away could not due to the security thanks to the Schindlers ourside the Hospice. What about michaels life threatened due to the schindlers. Yes they have caused all this. Michael is just trying to let his wife die peacefully not take away all her dignity and privacy as her parents have.
    What explicit evidence do you have that Michael Schiavo's life was threatened "due to the schindlers"?

    Jim Huffman, RN

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