artificial feeding-Terri Schiavo - page 41

I posted this here becaue I think this subject is something that we as nurses deal with on a regular basis.....Many many people state that they have a big problem with the feeding being stopped... Read More

  1. by   bugsbee
    boxermom

    Its is a real sad case. But its not for the courts to decide. The governor of florida should be protecting the citizens of that state against sex predators since they just had a little girl killed. I'm convinced she is in a vegatative state and that is what the majority of the medical believe. And the people who stated terri got herself in this situation by not eating are correct she should not be force fed. I wonder if her parents are feeling great guilt after all she was bulemic while living with them not her husband.
  2. by   ScarlettRN
    Quote from Tweety
    Steph. nothing new in that article, but yes interesting. (Not that someone whose so close to an advisor to the Schindlers would be biased in anyway. )

    Scarlett, what would be the point "once and for all" when it's been done plenty of times over the last 14 years "once and for all". Remember this just didn't happen, but has been ongoing for years.

    Tweety, because this is now a circus in the worst possible way, and because so many question the veracity of her dx, I guess it would be a way of presenting current information to the world. Maybe because I have a deep-seated desire to please everyone....is that a nurse thing? :chuckle

    I really really have a problem with this case, for reasons I have not seen mentioned by anyone else. The EMOTION, the hysterical, passionate, blind emotion is disconcerting to me. Part of it is because this has been going on for literal years and Terri's parents took this public and I see that as a power play. The biggest part is the language that is being used by both sides, but mainly by the Schindler camp. Emotionally charged words, used for the purpose of evoking a certain emotion, and personally, I think they are manipulative words.
    Another problem is with the politics that are being played with this. I don't question the motives of the GOP. What I have a problem with is that, as a Christian conservative, I have heard for the past decade or more that the liberals are emotion driven and that conservatives are the reasoned, level headed ones. Now, with this case, I hear people who are on the Schindler side from whom I have heard this mantra of reason preached from over the years, on the brink of hysteria. And ignorant of the basic facts, from BOTH angles....the simple uncolored facts. I have been personally attacked by people with whom I share common philosophy because I am not passionately advocating that the tube be put in. In fact, I am embarassed and annoyed by this whole thing. As I said, Schiavo isn't the devil and the Schindlers are not angels.

    Soooo, taking a deep breath, I wish to get a current diagnosis that is cold and clinical for ME.
    Last edit by ScarlettRN on Mar 25, '05
  3. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from stevielynn

    I wish the courts had ruled in Terri Schiavo's favor, even as I accept the fact that they have not and likely will not.
    As far as many of us are concerned, the courts DID rule in her favor.
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I said I would shut up about Shiavo and I will. But I just am chiming in to say I agree 10000% with the posts by caroleladybelle.
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from ScarlettRN
    Tweety, because this is now a circus in the worst possible way, and because so many question the veracity of her dx, I guess it would be a way of presenting current information to the world.
    I hear what you're saying and I understand completely. It's just that this is a private matter, for the family, doctors, and judicial system. The public should have not been drug into it imo. Of course we all have an interest in cases such as these, but nothing new has come to light since the last time they took out the tube and put it back in. Enough already.
  6. by   Peachy720
    Quote from Kyriaka
    I question his motives.

    Last time she was removed from food/water, her parents wanted a priest to giver her last rites. The husband refused.

    There has been a sworn statement from Terri's nurse that her husband came into the room and asked, "is the b*tch dead yet?" and "I am going to be rich!"
    I also question his motives.

    I had no idea about the last rites and his statements.

    All I have in my mind is the fact that he has been wanting to re-marry for the longest time.

    I just think it should be up to her parents, and not this sham of a "husband."

    JMHO. I hope her pain and suffering is over soon. She has been used as a guinea pig by all involved.
  7. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from Peachy720
    I just think it should be up to her parents, and not this sham of a "husband."
    So Terri's desires do not figure into it at all?
  8. by   Peachy720
    Quote from caroladybelle
    So Terri's desires do not figure into it at all?
    Of course they do. Terri is what matters in this case.

    However, I have been led to believe that the only proof that Terri does not want to be kept alive by any means is the words of Michael and his family. Has their been any further proof? (Sorry, midterm week here, so haven't been following it as closely)
  9. by   bugsbee
    Who has used Terri for their own emtional gain? Not the husband but the parents who say they love her. It has been nothing but a circus with the courts involved in something they should not be. There are more important things for them to do. And yes its so very sad but the parents have stripped their daughter of all dignity and made a mockery of this case.
  10. by   Kabin
    I think it was Michael Shiavo's brother that said his brother had an undesireable personality and probably that's his worst enemy. But the US laws are there to protect any of us inspite of our shortcomings.

    US laws assume a wife and husband have more intimate conversation and therefore know each other better than the parents. I think there little reason to believe otherwise.
  11. by   Ms.RN
    is it true that when a person is dying of dehydration, he or she can not feel the hunger or thirst but patient becomes unconscious and die peacefully?
  12. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from Peachy720
    Of course they do. Terri is what matters in this case.

    However, I have been led to believe that the only proof that Terri does not want to be kept alive by any means is the words of Michael and his family. Has their been any further proof? (Sorry, midterm week here, so haven't been following it as closely)
    The proof lies in her behavior. She developed an eating disorder in her late adolescence and early teens. This disorder was severe enough that she neglected her health and damaged her fertility. That neglect led to her current medical state.

    Her desire for control over her body and for being the "ideal" weight is well documented by medical evidence, and has been attested to by family and friends.

    And she developed this distorted ideal and need for control while in the care of her parents.

    As such, it makes her ideas regarding the way that she would want to exist quite apparent.

    It also indicates that her parents are probably not the best caregivers for her.
  13. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from graduatenurse
    is it true that when a person is dying of dehydration, he or she can not feel the hunger or thirst but patient becomes unconscious and die peacefully?
    as no one has come back from the dead to tell us, that would be quite hard to prove.

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